atomzed wrote: Travesty!! How could you not have Lcap as top 10? He's my mvp for pve and in the gauntlet, he's the one character I turn to the most. And in pvp, he is the best character against hulk... especially when hulk is buffed! (Ok technically when hulk is buffed, his anger takes more to trigger but still... )
Lerysh wrote: atomzed wrote: Travesty!! How could you not have Lcap as top 10? He's my mvp for pve and in the gauntlet, he's the one character I turn to the most. And in pvp, he is the best character against hulk... especially when hulk is buffed! (Ok technically when hulk is buffed, his anger takes more to trigger but still... ) I so agree with this. Cap was my first 166 character, and he's awesome at PvE and at Hulk slaying. The Hulk I think has lost favor even as a defensive wall in PvP. He's not that hard to kill really, just have to send him to Anger Managment. Especially with team ups now. 30 seconds beating the **** out of Venom in prolouge and you have a 5 AP 1 turn stun you can hit Hulk as much as you want. I bump Hulk for LCap to the top 10 on that prediction.
silverrex wrote: why Colossus isnt there? I thought one of the reason for the delay was to wait for him to be released which we now have. It will be another long winter before the next ranking, I wish he would be in the list
atomzed wrote: locked wrote: Predictions (Captain Obvious presents): Top 10: X-Force, Sentry, Hood, lazyThor, Black Panther, cMagneto, Patch, lazyDaken, Nick Fury, Hulk Highest climb: X-Force Lowest drop: modern Storm Lowest new: Beast followed by Mohawk Storm Highest new: Nick Fury followed by Captain Marvel Too good for their stars: oBW, Ares Too bad for their stars: IW, Daredevil Best 2*: oBW Best 1*: mBW (team-up power!) Most controversial: She-Hulk/Spider-Man? Most agreed on: Yelena Travesty!! How could you not have Lcap as top 10? He's my mvp for pve and in the gauntlet, he's the one character I turn to the most. And in pvp, he is the best character against hulk... especially when hulk is buffed! (Ok technically when hulk is buffed, his anger takes more to trigger but still... )
locked wrote: Predictions (Captain Obvious presents): Top 10: X-Force, Sentry, Hood, lazyThor, Black Panther, cMagneto, Patch, lazyDaken, Nick Fury, Hulk Highest climb: X-Force Lowest drop: modern Storm Lowest new: Beast followed by Mohawk Storm Highest new: Nick Fury followed by Captain Marvel Too good for their stars: oBW, Ares Too bad for their stars: IW, Daredevil Best 2*: oBW Best 1*: mBW (team-up power!) Most controversial: She-Hulk/Spider-Man? Most agreed on: Yelena
locked wrote: atomzed wrote: locked wrote: Predictions (Captain Obvious presents): Top 10: X-Force, Sentry, Hood, lazyThor, Black Panther, cMagneto, Patch, lazyDaken, Nick Fury, Hulk Highest climb: X-Force Lowest drop: modern Storm Lowest new: Beast followed by Mohawk Storm Highest new: Nick Fury followed by Captain Marvel Too good for their stars: oBW, Ares Too bad for their stars: IW, Daredevil Best 2*: oBW Best 1*: mBW (team-up power!) Most controversial: She-Hulk/Spider-Man? Most agreed on: Yelena Travesty!! How could you not have Lcap as top 10? He's my mvp for pve and in the gauntlet, he's the one character I turn to the most. And in pvp, he is the best character against hulk... especially when hulk is buffed! (Ok technically when hulk is buffed, his anger takes more to trigger but still... ) I did vote LC top 10 myself, but I tried to predict the top 10 from the PvP POV.
NorthernPolarity wrote: locked wrote: atomzed wrote: locked wrote: Predictions (Captain Obvious presents): Top 10: X-Force, Sentry, Hood, lazyThor, Black Panther, cMagneto, Patch, lazyDaken, Nick Fury, Hulk Highest climb: X-Force Lowest drop: modern Storm Lowest new: Beast followed by Mohawk Storm Highest new: Nick Fury followed by Captain Marvel Too good for their stars: oBW, Ares Too bad for their stars: IW, Daredevil Best 2*: oBW Best 1*: mBW (team-up power!) Most controversial: She-Hulk/Spider-Man? Most agreed on: Yelena Travesty!! How could you not have Lcap as top 10? He's my mvp for pve and in the gauntlet, he's the one character I turn to the most. And in pvp, he is the best character against hulk... especially when hulk is buffed! (Ok technically when hulk is buffed, his anger takes more to trigger but still... ) I did vote LC top 10 myself, but I tried to predict the top 10 from the PvP POV. I feel like Hulk loses out to C. Marvs nowadays, solely on the basis of Hulk being the worst vs X-Force ( X-Force has 2 direct nukes which completely bypass anger, and Hulk's main color strength is green which is just asking to get X-Forced compared to red for C. Marvs. Both functionally fill the same role of deterring AoE/strike tile attacks / attacks in general, but C. Marvs is better positioned in the meta.
atomzed wrote: On the other hand, hulk is also a great partner for xforce in pve. I deliberately soft cap XForce level so that hulk is in front, and in the gauntlet, hulk was generating green on every other turns. That feed into more xforce xforce! My main point is that if we look at the character only from pvp, then a lot of the character value is lost.When I rated the characters, I also rate them from the perspective of pve.
NorthernPolarity wrote: atomzed wrote: On the other hand, hulk is also a great partner for xforce in pve. I deliberately soft cap XForce level so that hulk is in front, and in the gauntlet, hulk was generating green on every other turns. That feed into more xforce xforce! My main point is that if we look at the character only from pvp, then a lot of the character value is lost.When I rated the characters, I also rate them from the perspective of pve. But by that logic, isn't C. Marvs better because she can generate black for X-Force in PvE (surgical > xforce)? And yeah, I get what you mean about PvP not being the end all, but I think weighing characters on a 75% PvP, 25% PvE scale sounds about reasonable, since how good the character is in PvP matters considerably more than how good the character is in PvE simply because PvP is where most of the rewards are at, which means that PvP should be the most important consideration in terms of character ranking.
atomzed wrote: Xforce is a far better trump to EVERYONE than cap (although caps a good number 2): surgical cascades into xforce which will almost 1 shot hulk for 11 black ap. Cap requires 12 red and 12 blue to get a similar effect.
Lerysh wrote: atomzed wrote: Xforce is a far better trump to EVERYONE than cap (although caps a good number 2): surgical cascades into xforce which will almost 1 shot hulk for 11 black ap. Cap requires 12 red and 12 blue to get a similar effect. Fixed for you. Just because X-Force does it better (at a predicted #2 on the list of best characters evar) doesn't mean Cap isn't top 10 material. He's also a lot easier to get. 4*s, in my eyes, lose points in ranking just due to rarity. In a vacuum sure X-Force is better than patch, but who is going to be more useful to any particular player? Once you reach max covers for X-Force he's great, before that he's ... average at best. A 13 cover patch is better than a 9 cover X-Force and your average player is going to have a 13 cover Patch long before he gets anywhere close to a decent X-Force. So.. who rates better in terms of usefulness?
NorthernPolarity wrote: But by that logic, isn't C. Marvs better because she can generate black for X-Force in PvE (surgical > xforce)? And yeah, I get what you mean about PvP not being the end all, but I think weighing characters on a 75% PvP, 25% PvE scale sounds about reasonable, since how good the character is in PvP matters considerably more than how good the character is in PvE simply because PvP is where most of the rewards are at, which means that PvP should be the most important consideration in terms of character ranking.
Lerysh wrote: I agree with that to an extent, but I feel like those who don't have X-Force viable on their rosters will not vote him as high as those that do. Those forum users who are in 2* land will probably put OBW pretty damn high on the list too.