Highdark wrote: I have never used grey suit, but over time i have actually gotten quite the collection of her covers. She 1/5/3 atm still sitting at level 15. I am curious(since i never used her) what makes her red so terrible. I mean i get the high cost part, and also understand that her green and purple are amazing. But purely looking at the red skill(since thats the one i happened to get maxed) how bad is it?
Phaserhawk wrote: Highdark wrote: I have never used grey suit, but over time i have actually gotten quite the collection of her covers. She 1/5/3 atm still sitting at level 15. I am curious(since i never used her) what makes her red so terrible. I mean i get the high cost part, and also understand that her green and purple are amazing. But purely looking at the red skill(since thats the one i happened to get maxed) how bad is it? Pure and simple, high AP costs and low hit points. At least IM40 has high hp, or Psylocke has low AP costs, while BWGS can blow anyone up with her sniper rifle, she's almost never going to cast it. Any build is fine on her as long as you have 5 in purple.
Kappei wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Highdark wrote: I have never used grey suit, but over time i have actually gotten quite the collection of her covers. She 1/5/3 atm still sitting at level 15. I am curious(since i never used her) what makes her red so terrible. I mean i get the high cost part, and also understand that her green and purple are amazing. But purely looking at the red skill(since thats the one i happened to get maxed) how bad is it? Pure and simple, high AP costs and low hit points. At least IM40 has high hp, or Psylocke has low AP costs, while BWGS can blow anyone up with her sniper rifle, she's almost never going to cast it. Any build is fine on her as long as you have 5 in purple. Green. 5 in green. Anyway, to add insult to injury, BP is as good at dishing out damage as GSBW, with the nice addition of a hefty sum of hitpoints.
Phaserhawk wrote: I agree 5 in green is best choice, but being realistic, you are never going to cast her green or red because you are 99% of the time going to have someone better doing it for you, which is why purple is really her only decent skill, and if my choice was to use the green from her purple and cast Sniper Rifle or Call of the Storm, I'm going with Call of the Storm. Which is why any combination is fine as long as you have 5 in purple, because you are never going to cast those other skills.
Kappei wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: I agree 5 in green is best choice, but being realistic, you are never going to cast her green or red because you are 99% of the time going to have someone better doing it for you, which is why purple is really her only decent skill, and if my choice was to use the green from her purple and cast Sniper Rifle or Call of the Storm, I'm going with Call of the Storm. Which is why any combination is fine as long as you have 5 in purple, because you are never going to cast those other skills. But if you're using GSBW just for her purple, why bring her at all? There are better purple powers that can be used instead, I don't think you want to bring her just to be a green battery for Thor's Call the storm...
Phaserhawk wrote: Kappei wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: I agree 5 in green is best choice, but being realistic, you are never going to cast her green or red because you are 99% of the time going to have someone better doing it for you, which is why purple is really her only decent skill, and if my choice was to use the green from her purple and cast Sniper Rifle or Call of the Storm, I'm going with Call of the Storm. Which is why any combination is fine as long as you have 5 in purple, because you are never going to cast those other skills. But if you're using GSBW just for her purple, why bring her at all? There are better purple powers that can be used instead, I don't think you want to bring her just to be a green battery for Thor's Call the storm... Well in case of the tourney, because I have to, but in all other instances, there is no reason. BWGS is very obsolete in terms of power and cost. I like the style, but she needs to have her AP costs severely reduced, I understand that her damage would also go down, but I say thats a fair trade because she just doesn't have the hp to really be useful.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Kappei wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: I agree 5 in green is best choice, but being realistic, you are never going to cast her green or red because you are 99% of the time going to have someone better doing it for you, which is why purple is really her only decent skill, and if my choice was to use the green from her purple and cast Sniper Rifle or Call of the Storm, I'm going with Call of the Storm. Which is why any combination is fine as long as you have 5 in purple, because you are never going to cast those other skills. But if you're using GSBW just for her purple, why bring her at all? There are better purple powers that can be used instead, I don't think you want to bring her just to be a green battery for Thor's Call the storm... Well in case of the tourney, because I have to, but in all other instances, there is no reason. BWGS is very obsolete in terms of power and cost. I like the style, but she needs to have her AP costs severely reduced, I understand that her damage would also go down, but I say thats a fair trade because she just doesn't have the hp to really be useful. Not true: I think you underestimate the power of her skills as board control in PvE situations. Being terrible on defense in PvP which means that shes not as attractive as an investment target, but I wouldn't call her 100% obsoleted exactly since she fills a small niche as a green generator (through a useful purple, which is hard to find in 3* land) / general purpose board clearer.
Dormammu wrote: I think calling GSBW 'obsolete' is a bit extreme. Are there better characters? Sure. But... Her Sniper Rifle is awesome, and way better than Thor's green attack. My LazyThor is lvl 141 and he does a total of 7,710 damage if all three enemies take max damage from it. My GSBW is level 120 and already outclasses Thor with a total of 8,664 damage between all three enemies (before the tile destruction). Yes, GSBW's green costs 5 more AP than Thor's, but she doesn't need seven green matches to pull it off, she just needs 11 purple AP because placing 6 green tiles can easily net you between 2-3x that back when paired strategically next to green tiles on the board, giving you the AP you need for Sniper and also doing a tinykitty-ton of cascade damage. She also has a unique color combination in Green/Red/Purple; in fact no other character carries green and purple together - her 2 strongest abilities. This makes her an ideal character to help fill out rainbows. I get that she's not an A-teamer with her low health and a useless red ability, but I've gotten a lot of mileage out of my GSBW. She is not obsolete.
gamar wrote: And you could say that Thor doesn't need seven green matches, he just needs 12 Yellow AP (which gives big damage and a big kitty of cascade damage)
gamar wrote: But as Phantron is always quick to point out, CoTS having more focused damage to one character actually makes it better despite doing a bit less total damage. And you could say that Thor doesn't need seven green matches, he just needs 12 Yellow AP (which gives big damage and a big kitty of cascade damage)
Saint Matthew wrote: It's because she "hides" when making a match. She relies on others to gather enough green AP for her to sniper rifle them to death. Except for purple. she has HUGE purple damage.