SOkun!! There are a lot of questions about the Seasonal Vault!

Hammer3001 · 9 January 2025, 19:46

Please read some of the myriad of questions on the various announcements about how we’re supposed to clear the X of Swords Vault with 6 tokens available for 120 items.

A little clarification would be appreciated.

slidecage · 9 January 2025, 19:53

Who says you are to clear it. Watch it be 6 out of 120 chance

See my comment on bonus topic to see how it should work but basically

Drop vault to 100 items. 50 stages anything past 50 free iso

Free said. 1 tokens per 10 levels.
Hp 1 tokens per 5 levels
7.99 month. 1 tokens per level
14.99 month 2 tokens per level

Say hello to your new MVP program

S0kun · 9 January 2025, 20:46

Had to dig into the planned mechanics so here's some additional context:

In addition to the tokens earned from the Season Pass, you'll also see tokens pop up in-game across different mechanics like login gifts, quest rewards, and bundles. This hybrid Season Pass and Vault mechanic was intended not to be completely cleared due to the sheer amount of rewards that can be earned and we're still balancing how they work together.

We do know players are used to clearing previous season vaults so we'll continue to make adjustments based on feedback. These changes will likely come by way of smaller vaults and adjustments to the mechanics above to increase the chance of clearing most of the vault.

Timemachinego · 9 January 2025, 21:03

@S0kun said:
Had to dig into the planned mechanics so here's some additional context:

In addition to the tokens earned from the Season Pass, you'll also see tokens pop up in-game across different mechanics like login gifts, quest rewards, and bundles. This hybrid Season Pass and Vault mechanic was intended not to be completely cleared due to the sheer amount of rewards that can be earned and we're still balancing how they work together.

We do know players are used to clearing previous season vaults so we'll continue to make adjustments based on feedback. These changes will likely come by way of smaller vaults and adjustments to the mechanics above to increase the chance of clearing most of the vault.

It would be one thing if all the pulls were good, but the current contents are a straight gamble... a really bad gamble and imo not worth pursuing tokens for in any way other than general play. Those 3>4s are sitting there like the tease of an ALMOST THERE bonus mode on a slot machine or the grand prize in a sweepstakes. I'd worry about your general user if they can't see that, the embargo remains.

Codex · 9 January 2025, 21:06

Can you clarify what you mean by quest rewards? None of the X of swords quests currently have tokens as a reward. Will there be another set of separate quests for the vaults or as we clear the seasonal quests tree they will appear or something else.

WilliamK1983 · 9 January 2025, 21:18

Bcs is really not good at rolling out new stuff.

@S0kun not intended to be cleared due to the sheer amount of rewards? Then tell the genius who upped it to 120 to drop it back to 80 and let us clear it.

ArchusMonk · 9 January 2025, 21:22

They didn’t intend for everyone to clear it, but if they were going to throttle tokens down to 6 guaranteed, then they could have kept the vault size at 80. Increasing it 50% to 120 just seems spiteful to be honest.

KGB · 9 January 2025, 21:23

@Codex said:
Will there be another set of separate quests for the vaults or as we clear the seasonal quests tree they will appear or something else.

1 Daily quest of 'Make 100 matches in your teams strongest color'

KGB

Hammer3001 · 9 January 2025, 21:27

Thanks for the response.

But as a daily player I do feel cheated that something that was once achievable with enough gameplay is now not.

I feel if players are willing and able to fulfill your quests 120 items (or a majority of them) should be obtainable through game play.

I do feel it is also fare that a third/quarter could be behind a paywall. You are running a business.

Hammer3001 · 9 January 2025, 21:35

I have a few suggestions for improvements to the hybrid system:

Make at least 1 daily quest a token reward.
Under the Season Pass make the Vault tokens under the Premium tier 2, 5 & 10 as you progress.
Make 1 Weekly Quest a token reward.
Make the final Season Quest a 5 token reward.

In total that’s 8 tokens a week/32 per month against 120 rewards.

& higher rewards for paying for Premium.

& a great reward for finishing the Season quests.

LavaManLee · 9 January 2025, 21:51

So the vault is not only more diluted that it was, there is less opportunity to actually earn tokens and someone at BCS decided that it was not meant to be cleared? Does that encapsulate what was changed?

Wow. Someone there has really been on a roll of pushing out new things without caring about their actual customers.

Hellblazer666 · 9 January 2025, 22:13

wish the season pass would just go away. I miss the old days of just a seasonal vault and doing quests to unlock said stuff from vaults

ThisisClemFandango · 9 January 2025, 22:21

Reading between the lines I think they are saying we like money, if you like giving us your money you can have a token for said monies.
Admittedly I'm no Dr Sherlock

entrailbucket · 9 January 2025, 22:25

I'm not even convinced they did this on purpose -- the communication around the whole thing has been so inconsistent and bizarre. Is this like a bug or oversight or is this how they meant it to work?

BobDucca · 9 January 2025, 23:59

Per Sokun above, seems intentional.

Their steps:
1. Create highly popular seasonal vault with good rewards that is fully clearable for those who do all missions.
2. Remove seasonal vault and replace with season pass with worse rewards that also costs hp and becomes a waste of time 2 weeks into the season. Eventually give iso for overlevelling.
3. Reduce season pass rewards(!) and add those rewards to a new version of the seasonal vault, but instead of being able to fully clear the vault only allow 1/60th(!) of the vault to be pulled for free.
4. ....continue to lose any goodwill you ever built with your playerbase.

The PM who came up with this delivery plan surely is...something. They must be so enthusiastic about delivering new content with the new engine that they think they can continue to make anti-player decisions over and over again.

Hellblazer666 · 10 January 2025, 00:26

ya the Vault Token ratio sucks. Again I miss when we would clear those boring missions we would get a vault token. Now its just Season Pass garbage. I must have cleared 5 and I got only 1 vault token from Season Pass when in the Vault days I would have gotten 5 vault tokens.

entrailbucket · 10 January 2025, 00:29

@BobDucca said:
Per Sokun above, seems intentional.

Their steps:
1. Create highly popular seasonal vault with good rewards that is fully clearable for those who do all missions.
2. Remove seasonal vault and replace with season pass with worse rewards that also costs hp and becomes a waste of time 2 weeks into the season. Eventually give iso for overlevelling.
3. Reduce season pass rewards(!) and add those rewards to a new version of the seasonal vault, but instead of being able to fully clear the vault only allow 1/60th(!) of the vault to be pulled for free.
4. ....continue to lose any goodwill you ever built with your playerbase.

The PM who came up with this delivery plan surely is...something. They must be so enthusiastic about delivering new content with the new engine that they think they can continue to make anti-player decisions over and over again.

I read his post again and I really don't see any of that, but I guess it's vague enough that you can read whatever you want into it.

Like, he says we'll get more tokens than we currently see in the reward tree -- ok, cool, how many more? 3? 100? He says the vault isn't intended to be cleared -- ok, should we expect to get 115 items, or 50 items, or 6 items? Those are very different "not cleared!"

Then at the end he says they're likely to make adjustments to something (?) to facilitate clearing more of the vault.

BobDucca · 10 January 2025, 01:10

I think if there was a chance to clear even half the vault without spending we’d be seeing tokens in the pass or quests. The fact that we don’t, not even in the season or weekly quests, speaks volumes about their intentions.

‘Blah blah responding to feedback in the future’ is just boilerplate CS language. They are absolutely testing us to see what we’ll consider the littlest we’d receive and stick around. Which of course isn’t wholly theoretically unreasonable, but they are on a roll for anti-player actions and this coulda been a layup to win some people back.

For this particular feature, they’ve anchored on such a low spot 2/120(!) that they obviously have nowhere to go but up. And then they’ll think they are being generous! “Sheer amount of rewards” lol. It’s like they want us to believe 2x1000 iso is double the reward that 1x2000 iso is.

turbomoose · 10 January 2025, 03:47

Anyone notice that it says 56 days to complete the season quests??

So are they going to be a season every 2 months now??

LavaManLee · 10 January 2025, 03:53

@turbomoose said:
Anyone notice that it says 56 days to complete the season quests??

So are they going to be a season every 2 months now??

This entire rollout has been communicated about as poorly as it possibly could have been communicated. So many questions.

Seph1roth5 · 10 January 2025, 04:43

I don't know the numbers, but people have been saying the season pass has less iso in it this time as well.

So, if true, extending it past 50 is really just giving us the same (less?) iso than the pass none of us liked before anyway.

SOkun!! There are a lot of questions about the Seasonal Vault!

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