Mephisto (Lord of Hell) 5*

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  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,627 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2024

    @entrailbucket said:

    @dianetics said:
    Yeah these tiles are open like charged or abyss tiles. Very problematic.

    Not a toon I would ever actually use. I would want to counter him and not **** with the garbage

    I've gone back and forth and around again on the Hellfire thing. It's not bad but I don't think it's the reason to use him.

    The reason to use him is that he's incredibly strong against healers and resurrectors. We didn't have a good counter for those guys and now we do. That makes him useful.

    I get you, but his strength is the hellfire tiles. If the opposing team has none he is a winner. If they have them then it becomes a toss up like Chasm just not as bad.
    The healing intervention as far as I can see is mid. The hellfire stuff is far more potent. I hope I am wrong, but I have not seen anything’s ng live to prove me wrong.
    I hope there are smarter people than me that do that.

    As it stands he is mid as far as I can see.

    **edit we had 4doom to crush revivers if that is a thing

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @dianetics said:
    Yeah these tiles are open like charged or abyss tiles. Very problematic.

    Not a toon I would ever actually use. I would want to counter him and not **** with the garbage

    I've gone back and forth and around again on the Hellfire thing. It's not bad but I don't think it's the reason to use him.

    The reason to use him is that he's incredibly strong against healers and resurrectors. We didn't have a good counter for those guys and now we do. That makes him useful.

    I've been largely using him in PVE, but I'm finding the Hellfire tiles very useful. Sure, goons overwrite them with their own tiles, but you're spamming them onto the board constantly it doesn't really matter.

    In PVP it's probably a different story, but I still strongly suspect that you'll only be seriously handicapped against the serious tile spammers like Polaris or Coulson. Everyone else will mitigate, but hardly nullify Mephisto.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards

    Crystal wong and mephisto
    You can thank me later.
    Also hello, just in case anyone has missed me.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,841 Chairperson of the Boards

    I love it, 3 posts in a row with completely different evaluations!

    We'll find out who's right, but probably not for awhile. I do think Mephisto is a really interesting character that has a chance to be very useful and widely used.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2024

    I think it'll probably be me

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    I love it, 3 posts in a row with completely different evaluations!

    We'll find out who's right, but probably not for awhile. I do think Mephisto is a really interesting character that has a chance to be very useful and widely used.

    Oh, my Mephisto is 467 -- I was opening up a lot of LTs anyway and managed to finish my dupe Hellcat this morning. Under normal circumstances I would have spread that throughout the season, but since I could get extra covers for Mephisto I just plain did it.

    At that level he doesn't hit quite hard enough to be a monster, but you do get a lot of Hellfire tiles out there and they trigger a often. I think he's going to be quite good at 550 and unless I'm proven wrong I intend to get him as high as I can.

    So yeah, fwiw I agree with you.

  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 479 Mover and Shaker

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    Crystal wong and mephisto
    You can thank me later.
    Also hello, just in case anyone has missed me.

    explain, using examples in this room.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards

    Explain which bit?
    Hello is how we greet each other ( no we don't say tally ho pip pip to each other in the uk, or wear bowler hats)
    Someone might of missed me I used to be quite a big deal in these forums I had fans quite literally in their fives.
    And the team suggestion is simply that, I'm not ordering anyone about what is and isn't right, that was that other guy.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,527 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    Explain which bit?
    Hello is how we greet each other ( no we don't say tally ho pip pip to each other in the uk, or wear bowler hats)
    Someone might of missed me I used to be quite a big deal in these forums I had fans quite literally in their fives.
    And the team suggestion is simply that, I'm not ordering anyone about what is and isn't right, that was that other guy.

    lies and slander!

    you might not say tally ho pip pip, but I know with certainty you say 'ello Guv'nor when greeting each other in the streets.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,315 Chairperson of the Boards

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    Explain which bit?
    Hello is how we greet each other ( no we don't say tally ho pip pip to each other in the uk, or wear bowler hats)
    Someone might of missed me I used to be quite a big deal in these forums I had fans quite literally in their fives.
    And the team suggestion is simply that, I'm not ordering anyone about what is and isn't right, that was that other guy.

    lies and slander!

    you might not say tally ho pip pip, but I know with certainty you say 'ello Guv'nor when greeting each other in the streets.

    That's only the street urchins and chimney sweeps of our fine capital in the sunny South, proper gentleman say "Salutations on this fine morning, might I interest you in the pursuance of a cup of Earl Grey at Mrs. Miggins Ye Olde Eaterie?"

    I'm not sure what happens up Th' North, they may not actually have any streets.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,527 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    Explain which bit?
    Hello is how we greet each other ( no we don't say tally ho pip pip to each other in the uk, or wear bowler hats)
    Someone might of missed me I used to be quite a big deal in these forums I had fans quite literally in their fives.
    And the team suggestion is simply that, I'm not ordering anyone about what is and isn't right, that was that other guy.

    lies and slander!

    you might not say tally ho pip pip, but I know with certainty you say 'ello Guv'nor when greeting each other in the streets.

    That's only the street urchins and chimney sweeps of our fine capital in the sunny South, proper gentleman say "Salutations on this fine morning, might I interest you in the pursuance of a cup of Earl Grey at Mrs. Miggins Ye Olde Eaterie?"

    I'm not sure what happens up Th' North, they may not actually have any streets.

    Ah, sorry. I had seen a 60's era documentary about the chimney sweeps of London and I had assumed that all of the UK was in fact London.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'll be gus the lovable chimney sweep!
    Clean as a whistle sharp as a thistle, best in all Westminster yeah!

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,244 Chairperson of the Boards

    Crystal and Wong are just standing there baffled by what's going on as the coaches banter on in colloquialisms.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,527 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    I'll be gus the lovable chimney sweep!
    Clean as a whistle sharp as a thistle, best in all Westminster yeah!

    Shut up boy

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,635 Chairperson of the Boards

    This wasn't what I expected when I saw there were 8 new comments on this thread, but I love it :D

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    Two more interesting data points on Hellfire tiles. They're not major boosts, but they're still kind of neat.

    • Hellfire tiles have a chance to appear whenever you add or convert basic tiles to the board. I've definitely seen Phoenix's purple add Hellfire tiles (maybe just from the TUs? I'm not sure about that, her power says "convert basic or TUs to red.")
    • Because they hit a random target, Hellfire tiles will hit invisible enemies.

    So yeah, Mephisto is yet another counter to that damnable Leapfrog support...

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    I'll be gus the lovable chimney sweep!
    Clean as a whistle sharp as a thistle, best in all Westminster yeah!

    Shut up boy

    If anyone didn't think ucd was a legend before we have the proof.

  • Bustapup
    Bustapup Posts: 107 Tile Toppler

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    Crystal wong and mephisto
    You can thank me later.
    Also hello, just in case anyone has missed me.

    This is one of the teams I've been using! Very effective for the anti-heal/Black ability build

    I've also tried

    • Aunt May and Emma Frost as a DOT team to just keep matching away and collecting red and purple

    • Old Man Logan and Gabby: little sister, strike tiles and healing every turn really suits every aspect of Mephisto's kit but super vulnerable to Jane. When you get it going with strike tiles out and little sister active, the hellfire tiles absolutely wreck.

    • Magik and 5* Agatha for just passive damage demolition

    • Agatha and DarkVeil to just spam Veil's yellow and Agatha's blue to keep charging Mephisto's abilities

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bustapup said:

    @ThisisClemFandango said:
    Crystal wong and mephisto
    You can thank me later.
    Also hello, just in case anyone has missed me.

    This is one of the teams I've been using! Very effective for the anti-heal/Black ability build

    I've also tried

    • Aunt May and Emma Frost as a DOT team to just keep matching away and collecting red and purple

    • Old Man Logan and Gabby: little sister, strike tiles and healing every turn really suits every aspect of Mephisto's kit but super vulnerable to Jane. When you get it going with strike tiles out and little sister active, the hellfire tiles absolutely wreck.

    • Magik and 5* Agatha for just passive damage demolition

    • Agatha and DarkVeil to just spam Veil's yellow and Agatha's blue to keep charging Mephisto's abilities

    Glad to hear it
    And people just think I'm a general irritant who have probably muted as they can't read the constant barrage of pointless twaddle.

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