Mephisto (Lord of Hell) 5*

entrailbucket

@Tiger_Wong said:
I put my Mephisto at 4/3/3. He feels a little more different than I originally thought (which is why I love testing these things).

Thoughts:

• the black doesn’t seem nearly as strong as I originally thought because of the % based increase really isn’t a lot at all.
• the blue is the real deal. The HF tiles will be EVERYWHERE. And because the new ones spread right next to the old one, the AI or you can match them easily for more damage. Without a booster or a strike-maker, the damage is manageable. But with a booster/strike maker? Holy ****. And if stunned, they have to eat all of it.

With 5* Daredevil, Mephisto feels lovely. With Okoye, Mephisto is devastating.

Yeah, I was doing a little testing too, and that power is a bit stronger than I thought, but also a little bit more fragile.

I can't tell if it's a random thing or not, but Hellfire tiles can be overwritten by other types. I was trying out Polaris, and when she creates strikes they can go on top of the Hellfire, which turns them into just plain strikes.

So that power is going to play best with someone like Rocket, who makes all the strikes at the start of the fight, or your okoye/apocalypse etc who mostly don't need to put stuff on the board.

GrimSkald

@entrailbucket said:

@Tiger_Wong said:
I put my Mephisto at 4/3/3. He feels a little more different than I originally thought (which is why I love testing these things).

Thoughts:

• the black doesn’t seem nearly as strong as I originally thought because of the % based increase really isn’t a lot at all.
• the blue is the real deal. The HF tiles will be EVERYWHERE. And because the new ones spread right next to the old one, the AI or you can match them easily for more damage. Without a booster or a strike-maker, the damage is manageable. But with a booster/strike maker? Holy ****. And if stunned, they have to eat all of it.

With 5* Daredevil, Mephisto feels lovely. With Okoye, Mephisto is devastating.

Yeah, I was doing a little testing too, and that power is a bit stronger than I thought, but also a little bit more fragile.

I can't tell if it's a random thing or not, but Hellfire tiles can be overwritten by other types. I was trying out Polaris, and when she creates strikes they can go on top of the Hellfire, which turns them into just plain strikes.

So that power is going to play best with someone like Rocket, who makes all the strikes at the start of the fight, or your okoye/apocalypse etc who mostly don't need to put stuff on the board.

Yeah, I put that in my analysis too - the HF tiles are basically visible trap tiles that don't belong to either team. I guess I'm not 100% sure they're neutral, but pretty sure -- if they belonged to you, then the AI wouldn't have your tiles over-write them and I definitely saw that happen.

If the tiles are converted to another color they won't go away, but basically anything else over-writes them, including SAP, CDs, etc. I suspect traps and Shrapnel tiles wouldn't because they operate on the same "layer," but they might.

That being said, they still multiply very quickly. When playing with Mephisto I stopped avoiding destroying my own tiles because more or less I didn't are - they spread fast. Against someone who will absolutely flood the board with SAP or CDs (Polaris, basically, though 3* Storm or Magneto can do so temporarily,) that will be bad, but for most teams I think you just won't care when they go away.

entrailbucket

@GrimSkald said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Tiger_Wong said:
I put my Mephisto at 4/3/3. He feels a little more different than I originally thought (which is why I love testing these things).

Thoughts:

• the black doesn’t seem nearly as strong as I originally thought because of the % based increase really isn’t a lot at all.
• the blue is the real deal. The HF tiles will be EVERYWHERE. And because the new ones spread right next to the old one, the AI or you can match them easily for more damage. Without a booster or a strike-maker, the damage is manageable. But with a booster/strike maker? Holy ****. And if stunned, they have to eat all of it.

With 5* Daredevil, Mephisto feels lovely. With Okoye, Mephisto is devastating.

Yeah, I was doing a little testing too, and that power is a bit stronger than I thought, but also a little bit more fragile.

I can't tell if it's a random thing or not, but Hellfire tiles can be overwritten by other types. I was trying out Polaris, and when she creates strikes they can go on top of the Hellfire, which turns them into just plain strikes.

So that power is going to play best with someone like Rocket, who makes all the strikes at the start of the fight, or your okoye/apocalypse etc who mostly don't need to put stuff on the board.

Yeah, I put that in my analysis too - the HF tiles are basically visible trap tiles that don't belong to either team. I guess I'm not 100% sure they're neutral, but pretty sure -- if they belonged to you, then the AI wouldn't have your tiles over-write them and I definitely saw that happen.

If the tiles are converted to another color they won't go away, but basically anything else over-writes them, including SAP, CDs, etc. I suspect traps and Shrapnel tiles wouldn't because they operate on the same "layer," but they might.

That being said, they still multiply very quickly. When playing with Mephisto I stopped avoiding destroying my own tiles because more or less I didn't are - they spread fast. Against someone who will absolutely flood the board with SAP or CDs (Polaris, basically, though 3* Storm or Magneto can do so temporarily,) that will be bad, but for most teams I think you just won't care when they go away.

Yep, so he definitely does want to be with a strike tile guy or a power booster, but NOT a spammer. It's not a massive disadvantage -- there are plenty of good options there -- but it does restrict things a little bit.

Fwiw he's awful with Coulson too! I run Coulson Darkveil as a mass AP gen team to complete the "cast the new guy's powers X times" quests, and Coulson spams so many CDs that the Hellfire tiles always get overwritten.

BriMan2222

@entrailbucket said:
I was just complaining the other day about how Chasm is blue but doesn't have a blue power/tank blue tiles.

Mephisto is even worse! He's 100% red, AND he makes tiles with a fire overlay AND his tile icon is fire, but his colors are black/purple/blue.

I'm going to be confused by this situation probably forever.

Am I color blind or is my phone color off? Chasm looks purple to me.

slidecage

When did hellcat come out

Got a few covers off blade but wont waste cp. See you in what Jan when hits ll

GrimSkald

@slidecage said:
When did hellcat come out

Got a few covers off blade but wont waste cp. See you in what Jan when hits ll

According to my list (I track release dates on my tracking spreadsheet) 5/25/20

LavaManLee

Anyone have 5Mephisto to 550 yet? I'm tempted from what I'm reading to break my hoard.

GrimSkald

@LavaManLee said:
Anyone have 5Mephisto to 550 yet? I'm tempted from what I'm reading to break my hoard.

Honestly, he's pretty good. Hotpool is okay (I think he's B tier, so I'll use him when boosted and with the right team,) Nova is aggressively mediocre (C tier I think.) Agatha is, to my mind, also very good - I'd put her S or high A tier. She meshes well with a number of teams and doesn't do too badly on her own (though she excels when she doesn't tank.)

I'd wait to see how good the next 5★ is. Nova-Agatha-Mephisto is meh (I'll probably skip that entirely since I'll have spent some to get my Hotpool where I want him,) but if the next one isn't bad, Agatha-Mephisto-??? may well be the way to go.

dianetics

Hotpool Nova Agatha is a great trio.
Nova is deceptively good. Hotpool creates problems.
So Agatha Nova Mephisto is a great trio to pull for.
As far as I can tell Agatha is an A-S tier. Nova Hotpool and B+.
I can’t place Mephisto yet but he seems like a B or A depending on his partners.

bluewolf

I wish Mephisto had a Dr Strange-like ability where he could do dmg to someone going invisible. Maybe stop them too.

Honestly it seems like it’s be in canon.

I mean, he’s Mephisto. You can’t get away from him.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:
I wish Mephisto had a Dr Strange-like ability where he could do dmg to someone going invisible. Maybe stop them too.

Honestly it seems like it’s be in canon.

I mean, he’s Mephisto. You can’t get away from him.

It's WAY too early to ask for Leapfrog counters -- they'll get around to that in 6 months or so after literally everyone is using it in 100% of fights.

Then they'll nerf it after the 8-10 counters they try have no effect.

Borstock

Plenty of AoE heavy hitters to mitigate leapfrog's nonsense.

Tiger_Wong

I think the forum monster is back and ate my last post.

• don’t remember who asked but Mephisto’s black does get fed by revivers.

WhiteBomber

@Tiger_Wong said:
I think the forum monster is back and ate my last post.

• don’t remember who asked but Mephisto’s black does get fed by revivers.

This is excellent. Thanks for checking!

bluewolf

@entrailbucket said:

@bluewolf said:
I wish Mephisto had a Dr Strange-like ability where he could do dmg to someone going invisible. Maybe stop them too.

Honestly it seems like it’s be in canon.

I mean, he’s Mephisto. You can’t get away from him.

It's WAY too early to ask for Leapfrog counters -- they'll get around to that in 6 months or so after literally everyone is using it in 100% of fights.

Then they'll nerf it after the 8-10 counters they try have no effect.

I was thinking about the demons in MPQ v Z, really. 😆

I just realized Elsa’s red stuns invisible opponents for 7 AP.

Bustapup

Is there a bug with Mephisto's black passive? Sometimes he's affecting ALL healing and boosting his damage whenever any character is healed but other times he only seems to trigger off enemy heals?

Bzhai

@Bustapup said:
Is there a bug with Mephisto's black passive? Sometimes he's affecting ALL healing and boosting his damage whenever any character is healed but other times he only seems to trigger off enemy heals?

I think it only works for heals that are not on him. So his team mates and enemies.

Daredevil217

I haven’t played him yet but it’s seems to be similar to Thanos, who stuns everyone but himself and only he can manipulate the board when his purple is out.

entrailbucket

Really quick -- and maybe this is obvious -- but because of how the Hellfire passive is set up, if Mephisto is stunned, matching Hellfire tiles doesn't do anything. The passive is attached to him, not the tiles themselves.

Bustapup

@Bzhai said:

@Bustapup said:
Is there a bug with Mephisto's black passive? Sometimes he's affecting ALL healing and boosting his damage whenever any character is healed but other times he only seems to trigger off enemy heals?

I think it only works for heals that are not on him. So his team mates and enemies.

Yup that's it, you were right. Only applies to healing other than on him