Upcoming Character Rebalances: 3* Doctor Octopus, 4* Dazzler, 5* Magneto

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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think they need to revisit the variables that they use to name all these tiles. Magneto was probably referencing special tiles but Abyss/Web tiles are not classified as special tiles. Wong's red was hardcoded to make sure Abyss/Web tiles are classified as special tiles. They just put in the Wong move.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,504 Chairperson of the Boards

    They probably shouldn't have released 5* Magneto as 4* Polaris. Not the new Devs fault!

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    Mistakes happen, I don't blame them for that.
    Not doing basic testing, I DO blame them for that.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    So is not working? No problem, they will fix it soon (TM). But remember my advice: do take a comfortable chair.

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,603 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    @DAZ0273 said:
    They probably shouldn't have released 5* Magneto as 4* Polaris. Not the new Devs fault!

    At one point, Magneto was considered Wanda and Lorna's dad in the comics. I find it ironic that the daughters are so OP in this game while 5* Magneto is arguably the worst of the Magnetos. In comparision, 2* Magneto could consistently go near-infinite and single handly dominate the 2/3 meta. I just wish they figured out a way to make him usable outside of boost week.

    3* Mags is the best Mags because he worked across multiple builds and different play styles. Flexible and powerful.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    Mags is bugged? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    Guys, great news. Here's a way to stunlock Chasm before you make your first match-3 of the battle for a pick-3, as long as iHulk processes his AoE at the start of their turn. The answer is Dazzler + Valkyrie and a decent 5*. Try it out for yourself and you will amazed by this. Wong is probably the best 5* because he has true heal for teams.

    The only bug you're going to experience is Dazzler debuffing your tiles instead of buffing it.

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @HoundofShadow said:
    Guys, great news. Here's a way to stunlock Chasm before you make your first match-3 of the battle for a pick-3, as long as iHulk processes his AoE at the start of their turn. The answer is Dazzler + Valkyrie and a decent 5*. Try it out for yourself and you will amazed by this. Wong is probably the best 5* because he has true heal for teams.

    The only bug you're going to experience is Dazzler debuffing your tiles instead of buffing it.

    I'm presuming Dazzler at 5 Black, Valkyrie at 5 Yellow, with Valkyrie in the centre and Dazzler on the left?

    I think you'll need Dazzler in the center, so she takes the hit.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Dazzler doesn't need to be in the center. Try it out yourself, if you've the time/access.

  • Omegased
    Omegased Posts: 626 Critical Contributor
    edited March 2023

    I mean that does work, but you've go so little firepower you're cooked anyway.

    Maybe 5switch might be a better third

    Edit: nope, switch takes too much damage also

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    If this team doesn't fit your playstyle, here's one that I used to climb shield sim to 2000:

    https://streamable.com/kjzon0

    The entire enemy team will be put on stun lock mode, unless bad cascades down her without triggering her passive.

    I think I've used over 10-20 counter teams to Chasm/iHulk/She-Hulk for my mmr level.

  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,088 Chairperson of the Boards

    Since we were wondering, with Mags red, any cascades from destroyed tiles do give AP to the enemy. Neither side gets AP from the tile itself being destroyed. The damage is pretty minimal. 250% is still going to be less than a match three in that color. So while it’s a bonus, it’s not doing a whole lot.

    Blue hasn’t been as OP as I thought it’d be SO FAR. It is still a great power though and my favorite by far. Interesting the power reads pick a tile and destroy that color and its opposite. Since the power is “polar” coordination I like that thematic touch (even if the colors aren’t actually opposites).

    Yellow for being a basic tile spam power is fun. I tried him with Grocket and he made 6 protects. I tried him with Wong casting the protect spell and mags made 6 strikes. I like the even Steven aspect of what otherwise would be a basic tile spam power.

    Once yellow is fixed that’s the one I’d be sure to have at 5 covers. The free buff to protect tiles was my favorite part of his old kit. Unfortunately he won’t buff strikes because he himself won’t have the brotherhood tag. Ugh. Still I want the boost as high as possible and his yellow making more tiles.

    I think 3/5/5 makes the most sense. If you’re like me, you’re blowing up colors that you aren’t using. So getting a possible 2 AP extra back in what may be a useless color is kind of meh. Like I said, the damage on red is inconsequential, so going from 3 to 5 covers you are just getting small bumps to already small damage, but 4 to 5 covers gives you an extra turn airborne. Depending on how you play him you may think 4 turns is too long to be out of the fight. So a case could be made for 5/5/3 as well.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    @HoundofShadow said:
    If this team doesn't fit your playstyle, here's one that I used to climb shield sim to 2000:

    https://streamable.com/kjzon0

    The entire enemy team will be put on stun lock mode, unless bad cascades down her without triggering her passive.

    You very easily could've lost the example match. There are better options than your third to get the Dr. Thor+Riri stunlock.

    4 turns is a long time for Mags to be out of the fight. I don't know if they could code this in, but IMO the enemy shouldn't be able to steal AP from a last man standing that's airborne. They shouldn't be reachable. It probably wouldn't be something you'd build a strategy around, but there are other examples of powers that only trigger when their teammates are downed.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,715 Chairperson of the Boards

    Testing him out on a couple teams in SIM and I just don't see him being a viable counter to Chasm nor anyone I would regularly bring into battle vs one of my other 5s (i.e. Riri or even Wong). He's better but not by a lot and he is a definite liability on defense.

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor

    @HoundofShadow said:
    Dazzler doesn't need to be in the center. Try it out yourself, if you've the time/access.

    So Dazzler is triggering the stun off of the AoE damage? I was thinking she should be in the center so that the match damage would trigger her stun.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,566 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    Characters I’ve found with the Brotherhood Tag so far:

    5* (conspicuously absent from magneto himself)
    Havok

    4*
    Frost
    Blob
    Dark Beast

    3*
    Mystique
    Magneto

    2*
    None (not this version of Magneto either)

    1*
    Juggernaut

    It should perhaps be noted that none of these characters create strikes without the aid of supports save 5* Magneto who doesn't have the tag himself, and many of these characters destroy tiles. I'm not really sure what the intended synergy with that passive is expected to do.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,566 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MoosePrime said:

    @HoundofShadow said:
    Dazzler doesn't need to be in the center. Try it out yourself, if you've the time/access.

    So Dazzler is triggering the stun off of the AoE damage? I was thinking she should be in the center so that the match damage would trigger her stun.

    Dazzler's passive has always just been when she takes damage, so it always worked that way. She just never had the requisite health/heal/damage reduction to be survivable. She more than anyone needed a jump-in-front passive in my opinion.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,504 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Characters I’ve found with the Brotherhood Tag so far:

    5* (conspicuously absent from magneto himself)
    Havok

    4*
    Frost
    Blob
    Dark Beast

    3*
    Mystique
    Magneto

    2*
    None (not this version of Magneto either)

    1*
    Juggernaut

    It should perhaps be noted that none of these characters create strikes without the aid of supports save 5* Magneto who doesn't have the tag himself, and many of these characters destroy tiles. I'm not really sure what the intended synergy with that passive is expected to do.

    Affiliations confuse me sometimes.

    I know 2* Magneto is classified as a hero but does this mean he was never a bad guy? Is he a variant? It seems strange that Emma and Havok can have affiliations based upon past memberships and others not. Them being X-Men did not suddenly make them not part of past team?

    5* Magneto makes sense because he is a variant whereupon he never became a villain due to Xavier dying changing reality.

    Another example is Namor. The MPQ version is unquestionably the Marvel Comics one but he doesn't have either Defenders (one of original three) or Avengers affiliations? Is Defenders only linked to Netflix? But then why is 5* Dr. Strange a member?!?!?

  • Glockoma
    Glockoma Posts: 555 Critical Contributor

    I was going to champ Mags, but after this talk, I’m too disappointed to waste the ISO on him yet. What a let down.

    It really grinds my gears how these characters essentially have an entire power devoted to “the attempt” to counter the previous meta’s overpowered passive.

    Mags needed a new kit entirely, but I wonder how much better he could have been if not partially tied to the mission of overcoming an eventual passing meta.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,566 Chairperson of the Boards

    Characters who could have this tag but don't according to the wikipedia page "list of Brotherhood of Mutants Members" - I assume most players of this game look at all characters who share a name and assume they are the same regardless of where in the multiverse they originate so I'll list them:
    Quicksilver
    Scarlet Witch 5/3 Scarlet Witch
    Sabretooth
    5/2 Magneto (i guess they are alternate universe incarnations)
    5/3 Emma Frost
    Rogue
    Professor X 5/4
    Wolfsbane
    Psylocke
    Daken 5/3/2* assuming these are considered one character
    Deadpool 5/4/3
    Regular Beast

    There are some non-616 incarnations that include people like Frank Castle, Cyclops, and Wolverine.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brotherhood_of_Mutants_members

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