punisher is too strong when comparing with other 3*

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kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

Give up dude, its not gonna happen.

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kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

And guess what you could Nerf everything until Loki was good again and it would likely be the same general group of people kicking **** and taking names each event. Nerfing perfectly balanced characters does nothing other then piss off your player base and lose you money from them leaving your game.

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MTGOFerret wrote:

kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

And guess what you could Nerf everything until Loki was good again and it would likely be the same general group of people kicking **** and taking names each event. Nerfing perfectly balanced characters does nothing other then piss off your player base and lose you money from them leaving your game.

Loki was good at some point?

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HairyDave wrote:

MTGOFerret wrote:

kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

And guess what you could Nerf everything until Loki was good again and it would likely be the same general group of people kicking **** and taking names each event. Nerfing perfectly balanced characters does nothing other then piss off your player base and lose you money from them leaving your game.

Loki was good at some point?

Think that was in the mesozoic era!!

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Everybody who say punisher is overpowered:
Go nerf yourself.

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kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

Now you're just talking rubbish, get over it and move on.

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DaveyPitch wrote:

kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

Now you're just talking rubbish, get over it and move on.

if there are so many players seriously concern about this topic... it may be a good opportunity to funbalance this character if d3 want players to use other characters more.

after magneto nerf in the future, next strongest character may be punisher. if there is a strongest character existing in this game, the game is not balanced.

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Don't feel the need to respond to the OP, he's pretty clearly trolling for attention at this point.

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kubrick wrote:

DaveyPitch wrote:

kubrick wrote:

i just had a thought today about his nerf possibility, according to d3 practice if punisher is nerfed they can increase their revenue by a huge amount. i dont see any point they dont want to do it. people have punisher are easier to get their target cover ie no incentives to invest money...

Now you're just talking rubbish, get over it and move on.

if there are so many players seriously concern about this topic... it may be a good opportunity to funbalance this character if d3 want players to use other characters more.

after magneto nerf in the future, next strongest character may be punisher. if there is a strongest character existing in this game, the game is not balanced.

Punisher is the best of the 'fair' 3* characters. If we're lining up characters for nerfs after CMags, the line starts at Lazy Thor.

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kubrick wrote:

if there are so many players seriously concern about this topic... it may be a good opportunity to funbalance this character if d3 want players to use other characters more.

after magneto nerf in the future, next strongest character may be punisher. if there is a strongest character existing in this game, the game is not balanced.

You keep using this word "strongest", but I don't think it means what YOU think it means. I can name plenty of heroes way "stronger" than punisher, your obsession with him makes no sense at all....

The fact you think Punisher may be the next strongest hero after C.Mags (despite C.Mags terrible defensive qualities making the claim he is the strongest hero genuinely debatable. He is more abusable) really speaks volumes. The volumes it speaks, in case you were wondering, are telling me you have NO IDEA about the balance of 3* heroes in this game.

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bonfire01 wrote:

He has 3 fairly cheap damaging abilities with a bit of AoE thrown in there but is hardly devastating. When Ares gets boosted to 125 in PvE I would say he's a better hero than a 141 punisher.

He is, but all 125 2*s are. Check tile strengths, because of how the different rarities scale a boosted 2* is a little stronger than an unboosted 141.

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kubrick wrote:

if there are so many players seriously concern about this topic... it may be a good opportunity to funbalance this character if d3 want players to use other characters more.

after magneto nerf in the future, next strongest character may be punisher. if there is a strongest character existing in this game, the game is not balanced.

I think maybe you should play this game for a little longer and actually get a playable Punisher before talking about funbalance because you don't know what you're talking about.

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He's not overpowered but he is overused. Two different things.

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In some hypothetical balanced world you would say all of Punisher's abilities (especially Judgment) is a bit too good for what would be considered fair.

On the other hand Thor's ability are about twice as good as what could be considered fair.

Punisher is overpowered compared to someone like Psylocke, but not so much compared to Thor. While he's overpowered, if we get to a point where The Punisher is the strongest character in the game, then I can definitely live with the balance at that point, even if he's clearly the strongest character by then.

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Saint Matthew wrote:

He's not overpowered but he is overused. Two different things.

Do people really think he's so widely used because he's not powerful? And yes Punisher covers are quite available but I saw a lot of level 141 IM40 during Heavy Metal too, and I sure don't see IM40 outside of that event very often.

A character is overused because he's powerful, though Punisher's availability is better than the new powerhouses like Daken or Sentry, and even compared to Thor he's considerable more available.

mags1587

I've always thought that Punisher's widespread use was because of the fact that he's a good fit on almost any team. He has 3 solid abilities and because of that he's a little more versatile than some other characters that you have to built a team around (like, say, Patch).

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mags1587 wrote:

I've always thought that Punisher's widespread use was because of the fact that he's a good fit on almost any team. He has 3 solid abilities and because of that he's a little more versatile than some other characters that you have to built a team around (like, say, Patch).

Psylocke's a good fit on every team too but she's nowhere used as much as Punisher, probably because every skill Punisher has is slightly better than Psylocke's counterpart.

Versatility/availability alone cannot explain why he's seen in such abundance. He is definitely very good, but he's still relatively fair compared to the totally unfair guys (Sentry, Thor, Magneto).

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Phantron wrote:

Saint Matthew wrote:

He's not overpowered but he is overused. Two different things.

Do people really think he's so widely used because he's not powerful? And yes Punisher covers are quite available but I saw a lot of level 141 IM40 during Heavy Metal too, and I sure don't see IM40 outside of that event very often.

A character is overused because he's powerful, though Punisher's availability is better than the new powerhouses like Daken or Sentry, and even compared to Thor he's considerable more available.

Powerful and and overpowered are two completely different things. I doubt anyone would try to argue that PunPun is weak. Actually with all the massive HP characters comming out and scaling up to 400 it could be argued that he's actually becoming better lately due to his red which is typically subpar.

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Observations from an unapologetic OBW user.

Denial vs a Lazy Thor works quite well most of the time so he loses some scary points
Punisher is fast enough and his strikes are strong enough that he can quickly change a match against you. OBW can usually heal up normal match damage with ease but the strikes make that a losing battle. His abilities are largely point and click I have lost to several punishers that never fired off a single red. The AI doesn't have any way to botch the way it plays punisher really.

So does using OBW let people fight a little higher than their weight class? Yes.
Is punisher one of the most efficient ways to take out a squishy little OBW? also yes.

So this bout of calling Punisher OP can be roughly translated to, he kills my OBW (or other squishy chars) too fast and I hate that I can beat anyone else regularly, just not punisher. Admittedly he would seem more balanced vs the 3* offensive tanks who could survive his initial assault long enough to counter.

TLDR: Punisher is extra good at killing weak characters quickly but less effective holding his own against tankier people. So he may seem OP to some and weak to others depending on who he is up against.

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Phantron wrote:

mags1587 wrote:

I've always thought that Punisher's widespread use was because of the fact that he's a good fit on almost any team. He has 3 solid abilities and because of that he's a little more versatile than some other characters that you have to built a team around (like, say, Patch).

Psylocke's a good fit on every team too but she's nowhere used as much as Punisher, probably because every skill Punisher has is slightly better than Psylocke's counterpart.

Versatility/availability alone cannot explain why he's seen in such abundance. He is definitely very good, but he's still relatively fair compared to the totally unfair guys (Sentry, Thor, Magneto).

Possibly (I certainly wouldn't argue that Psylocke's blue is as good as any of Punisher's abilities), but I think another big factor there is that Psylocke was released after Punisher. If the order was reversed we might be having a different coversation.

MTGOFerret wrote:

Powerful and and overpowered are two completely different things. I doubt anyone would try to argue that PunPun is weak. Actually with all the massive HP characters coming out and scaling up to 400 it could be argued that he's actually becoming better lately due to his red which is typically subpar.

I agree with this. Punisher is by no means weak but I wouldn't say he's overpowered. I think that, combined with his versatility and availability explain why he's so widely used. It's not any one factor but a combination.