Disabled PVP Supports

entrailbucket

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

It's just very weird. Are they supposed to be Ancestral Plane, or Yaro Root, or Leapfrog? How can all 3 of those be the same thing? The balance among supports somehow manages to be worse than characters.

They aren't supposed to be the same thing. You are rating them with a PvP only point of view.

Leapfrog looks fabulous on defense in PvP. But it's an entirely different support in PvE where it rarely matters or even on offense in PvP it doesn't much matter esp if you are winning turn 0/1 running a winfinte etc.

Same with Yaro root. If you aren't running a team that uses / needs green it's basically a pointless support. On a green team it's invaluable.

How's that markedly different than the characters in the game? Polaris may be fabulous on an SAP team but she's essentially as useless as a Yaro Root on a non-green team when she is on a non-SAP team.

They were meant to complement certain characters (the ones affixed to characters) or affiliations or even certain teams (starting AP supports), not be general all around usage items.

KGB

Now do Ancestral Plane, Sharon Carter, and the Carol Corps.

JoeHandle

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

LavaManLee

@JoeHandle said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

I was referring to what a support was supposed to be. Not that the collection and acquiring of supports hadn't changed.

entrailbucket

@JoeHandle said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

I thought they were worthless and had no impact until they showed up in PvP, but I wasn't a PvE player. Players were using the free AP ones (and ONLY the free AP ones) to turn0 PvE fights for a long time.

KGB

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

It's just very weird. Are they supposed to be Ancestral Plane, or Yaro Root, or Leapfrog? How can all 3 of those be the same thing? The balance among supports somehow manages to be worse than characters.

They aren't supposed to be the same thing. You are rating them with a PvP only point of view.

Leapfrog looks fabulous on defense in PvP. But it's an entirely different support in PvE where it rarely matters or even on offense in PvP it doesn't much matter esp if you are winning turn 0/1 running a winfinte etc.

Same with Yaro root. If you aren't running a team that uses / needs green it's basically a pointless support. On a green team it's invaluable.

How's that markedly different than the characters in the game? Polaris may be fabulous on an SAP team but she's essentially as useless as a Yaro Root on a non-green team when she is on a non-SAP team.

They were meant to complement certain characters (the ones affixed to characters) or affiliations or even certain teams (starting AP supports), not be general all around usage items.

KGB

Now do Ancestral Plane, Sharon Carter, and the Carol Corps.

What's wrong with Sharon Carter? Oh yeah, you are a 5 star player. But for anyone in 4 star land and below, getting +110 Red Damage and +147 Blue damage is nothing to sneer at (more than doubles a 4 stars match damage, probably triples a 3 stars damage). You even get a chance at +2 Purple AP when matching purple and a 1.2 crit multiplier bonus so she could be used on Shang if you don't have Chimichanga (or using that on another character). The R5 perk was meant for a world pre-MThor when you were fighting goons (PvE again). If they just changed the Red/Blue damage to be percentage based (ie up to 100% at R5) the support would be viable in 5 star land.

The other 2 supports are locked to a specific character(s). Those are in a different class than the general supports or ones that aren't quite as restricted.

KGB

DAZ0273

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

It's just very weird. Are they supposed to be Ancestral Plane, or Yaro Root, or Leapfrog? How can all 3 of those be the same thing? The balance among supports somehow manages to be worse than characters.

They aren't supposed to be the same thing. You are rating them with a PvP only point of view.

Leapfrog looks fabulous on defense in PvP. But it's an entirely different support in PvE where it rarely matters or even on offense in PvP it doesn't much matter esp if you are winning turn 0/1 running a winfinte etc.

Same with Yaro root. If you aren't running a team that uses / needs green it's basically a pointless support. On a green team it's invaluable.

How's that markedly different than the characters in the game? Polaris may be fabulous on an SAP team but she's essentially as useless as a Yaro Root on a non-green team when she is on a non-SAP team.

They were meant to complement certain characters (the ones affixed to characters) or affiliations or even certain teams (starting AP supports), not be general all around usage items.

KGB

Now do Ancestral Plane, Sharon Carter, and the Carol Corps.

What's wrong with Sharon Carter? Oh yeah, you are a 5 star player. But for anyone in 4 star land and below, getting +110 Red Damage and +147 Blue damage is nothing to sneer at (more than doubles a 4 stars match damage, probably triples a 3 stars damage). You even get a chance at +2 Purple AP when matching purple and a 1.2 crit multiplier bonus so she could be used on Shang if you don't have Chimichanga (or using that on another character). The R5 perk was meant for a world pre-MThor when you were fighting goons (PvE again). If they just changed the Red/Blue damage to be percentage based (ie up to 100% at R5) the support would be viable in 5 star land.

The other 2 supports are locked to a specific character(s). Those are in a different class than the general supports or ones that aren't quite as restricted.

KGB

Dude you are a 5* player just in denial. I genuinely don't understand what you get out of not levelling up but it is time to stop pretending you are a normal "4* player"!

Godzillafan67

@DAZ0273 said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

It's just very weird. Are they supposed to be Ancestral Plane, or Yaro Root, or Leapfrog? How can all 3 of those be the same thing? The balance among supports somehow manages to be worse than characters.

They aren't supposed to be the same thing. You are rating them with a PvP only point of view.

Leapfrog looks fabulous on defense in PvP. But it's an entirely different support in PvE where it rarely matters or even on offense in PvP it doesn't much matter esp if you are winning turn 0/1 running a winfinte etc.

Same with Yaro root. If you aren't running a team that uses / needs green it's basically a pointless support. On a green team it's invaluable.

How's that markedly different than the characters in the game? Polaris may be fabulous on an SAP team but she's essentially as useless as a Yaro Root on a non-green team when she is on a non-SAP team.

They were meant to complement certain characters (the ones affixed to characters) or affiliations or even certain teams (starting AP supports), not be general all around usage items.

KGB

Now do Ancestral Plane, Sharon Carter, and the Carol Corps.

What's wrong with Sharon Carter? Oh yeah, you are a 5 star player. But for anyone in 4 star land and below, getting +110 Red Damage and +147 Blue damage is nothing to sneer at (more than doubles a 4 stars match damage, probably triples a 3 stars damage). You even get a chance at +2 Purple AP when matching purple and a 1.2 crit multiplier bonus so she could be used on Shang if you don't have Chimichanga (or using that on another character). The R5 perk was meant for a world pre-MThor when you were fighting goons (PvE again). If they just changed the Red/Blue damage to be percentage based (ie up to 100% at R5) the support would be viable in 5 star land.

The other 2 supports are locked to a specific character(s). Those are in a different class than the general supports or ones that aren't quite as restricted.

KGB

Dude you are a 5* player just in denial. I genuinely don't understand what you get out of not levelling up but it is time to stop pretending you are a normal "4* player"!

KGB's assessment was factual regardless of their actual roster level or play style.

entrailbucket

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

It's just very weird. Are they supposed to be Ancestral Plane, or Yaro Root, or Leapfrog? How can all 3 of those be the same thing? The balance among supports somehow manages to be worse than characters.

They aren't supposed to be the same thing. You are rating them with a PvP only point of view.

Leapfrog looks fabulous on defense in PvP. But it's an entirely different support in PvE where it rarely matters or even on offense in PvP it doesn't much matter esp if you are winning turn 0/1 running a winfinte etc.

Same with Yaro root. If you aren't running a team that uses / needs green it's basically a pointless support. On a green team it's invaluable.

How's that markedly different than the characters in the game? Polaris may be fabulous on an SAP team but she's essentially as useless as a Yaro Root on a non-green team when she is on a non-SAP team.

They were meant to complement certain characters (the ones affixed to characters) or affiliations or even certain teams (starting AP supports), not be general all around usage items.

KGB

Now do Ancestral Plane, Sharon Carter, and the Carol Corps.

What's wrong with Sharon Carter? Oh yeah, you are a 5 star player. But for anyone in 4 star land and below, getting +110 Red Damage and +147 Blue damage is nothing to sneer at (more than doubles a 4 stars match damage, probably triples a 3 stars damage). You even get a chance at +2 Purple AP when matching purple and a 1.2 crit multiplier bonus so she could be used on Shang if you don't have Chimichanga (or using that on another character). The R5 perk was meant for a world pre-MThor when you were fighting goons (PvE again). If they just changed the Red/Blue damage to be percentage based (ie up to 100% at R5) the support would be viable in 5 star land.

The other 2 supports are locked to a specific character(s). Those are in a different class than the general supports or ones that aren't quite as restricted.

KGB

So the supports locked to specific characters are bad, and that's ok?

entrailbucket

Also...how many other players in 3* or 4* land have maxed out supports?

DAZ0273

@Godzillafan67 said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

It's just very weird. Are they supposed to be Ancestral Plane, or Yaro Root, or Leapfrog? How can all 3 of those be the same thing? The balance among supports somehow manages to be worse than characters.

They aren't supposed to be the same thing. You are rating them with a PvP only point of view.

Leapfrog looks fabulous on defense in PvP. But it's an entirely different support in PvE where it rarely matters or even on offense in PvP it doesn't much matter esp if you are winning turn 0/1 running a winfinte etc.

Same with Yaro root. If you aren't running a team that uses / needs green it's basically a pointless support. On a green team it's invaluable.

How's that markedly different than the characters in the game? Polaris may be fabulous on an SAP team but she's essentially as useless as a Yaro Root on a non-green team when she is on a non-SAP team.

They were meant to complement certain characters (the ones affixed to characters) or affiliations or even certain teams (starting AP supports), not be general all around usage items.

KGB

Now do Ancestral Plane, Sharon Carter, and the Carol Corps.

What's wrong with Sharon Carter? Oh yeah, you are a 5 star player. But for anyone in 4 star land and below, getting +110 Red Damage and +147 Blue damage is nothing to sneer at (more than doubles a 4 stars match damage, probably triples a 3 stars damage). You even get a chance at +2 Purple AP when matching purple and a 1.2 crit multiplier bonus so she could be used on Shang if you don't have Chimichanga (or using that on another character). The R5 perk was meant for a world pre-MThor when you were fighting goons (PvE again). If they just changed the Red/Blue damage to be percentage based (ie up to 100% at R5) the support would be viable in 5 star land.

The other 2 supports are locked to a specific character(s). Those are in a different class than the general supports or ones that aren't quite as restricted.

KGB

Dude you are a 5* player just in denial. I genuinely don't understand what you get out of not levelling up but it is time to stop pretending you are a normal "4* player"!

KGB's assessment was factual regardless of their actual roster level or play style.

And my assessment of the fact they are a 4* player by choice not because they can't advance is also true. They start off their post admonishing another player as "Oh yeah, you are a 5* player" as if this is something denied to them or that they couldn't instantly achieve. "But for anyone in 4* land or below..." Is meant to make us feel what? Sympathy? It is self inflicted! Sorry.

DAZ0273

I need to say here also that I don't want to come across as attacking @KGB and sorry if that comes across in anyway as doing that. I just can't agree with some of what they are complaining about. They are still my favourite Canadian Floridian who taught me that Wolverine is British.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@JoeHandle said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

I thought they were worthless and had no impact until they showed up in PvP, but I wasn't a PvE player. Players were using the free AP ones (and ONLY the free AP ones) to turn0 PvE fights for a long time.

A "long" time? Only since the release of 5May. Not that long before supports were tossed onto PvP.

JoeHandle

@LavaManLee said:

@JoeHandle said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

I was referring to what a support was supposed to be. Not that the collection and acquiring of supports hadn't changed.

Not the only change. The supports released after the game changed hands are radically different from the old ones that had mouldered for years under the old management.

entrailbucket

@JoeHandle said:

@entrailbucket said:

@JoeHandle said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

I thought they were worthless and had no impact until they showed up in PvP, but I wasn't a PvE player. Players were using the free AP ones (and ONLY the free AP ones) to turn0 PvE fights for a long time.

A "long" time? Only since the release of 5May. Not that long before supports were tossed onto PvP.

Oh no, there were teams that could do it WAY before her! She's just the fastest/most reliable/accessible.

Zarqa

@DAZ0273 said:
I need to say here also that I don't want to come across as attacking @KGB and sorry if that comes across in anyway as doing that. I just can't agree with some of what they are complaining about. They are still my favourite Canadian Floridian who taught me that Wolverine is British.

It kind of does? I think you’re one of the funniest players in this game. But I’ve noticed this past week your posts are more frustrated, personal, and even aggressive than I’ve seen from you before. Now, of course that is your complete right, and i am just another player in the black void of what’s online interaction. But I also wanted to share that recently I’ve not recognized the funny DAZ that I’ve come to enjoy and appreciate so much.

That said, no offense taken at all if you ignore this or tell me this is none of my business, because it isn’t.

KGB

@DAZ0273 said:
I need to say here also that I don't want to come across as attacking @KGB and sorry if that comes across in anyway as doing that. I just can't agree with some of what they are complaining about. They are still my favourite Canadian Floridian who taught me that Wolverine is British.

It takes a lot more than that to offend me and I'm happy to be your favourite Canadian Floridian. You're my favorite Game of Thrones Recapper by far.

Anyway, I wrote the 5 star player comment not because I can't be a 5 star player (I clearly can) but more to remind EB that he's seeing all supports though the eyes of a 5 star (really a max champed 5 star) player. In other words there are other players viewing those same supports through different eyes depending on where they are in the game. My stepson for example has a very different roster than mine as a relative newer / part time player. He basically only has the 'best of' characters in all the tiers beyond 2 (where he has everyone champed). In other words he just has 4 or 5 3s champed (the best ones) and 4-5 4's champed (the best ones) and about 10 5s in various stages (Shang has the most covers at 10) plus a few others in 3/4 land he is slowly working on if I tell him they are useful. For him support look vastly different than they do to EB or even me. He uses a R4 Sharon on his Shang because he doesn't have a Chimi and even at L300 those bonus red/blue match damages and extra purple AP chance make her a very valuable support for him.

KGB

KGB

Something else that occurred to me while typing up the Sharon Carter review and PvP supports in general.

I know the idea has been floated to feature only some supports in PvP and rotate them in/out based on the week. The only downside to that is for newer players there may often be weeks they have no supports at all, especially if the list is only like 10 supports a week type thing.

Maybe another possibility is to allow all supports in PvP but only the R1 power (and perk if you qualify for it). Then rotate in weekly 'boost' and 'ultra boost' list. Those in the boost list would get R1-R3 powers that week and those in the ultra boost list would get R1-R5 powers. This makes all supports available (helps newer players with limited supports) but features a few supports each week (maybe put 8 in the boost and 4 others in the ultra boost type thing).

KGB

entrailbucket

@KGB said:
Something else that occurred to me while typing up the Sharon Carter review and PvP supports in general.

I know the idea has been floated to feature only some supports in PvP and rotate them in/out based on the week. The only downside to that is for newer players there may often be weeks they have no supports at all, especially if the list is only like 10 supports a week type thing.

Maybe another possibility is to allow all supports in PvP but only the R1 power (and perk if you qualify for it). Then rotate in weekly 'boost' and 'ultra boost' list. Those in the boost list would get R1-R3 powers that week and those in the ultra boost list would get R1-R5 powers. This makes all supports available (helps newer players with limited supports) but features a few supports each week (maybe put 8 in the boost and 4 others in the ultra boost type thing).

KGB

They really can't do this now, because they made supports so difficult to get. Players worked too hard (or spent too much, or both) acquiring and levelling supports to just give them to everyone for free.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@JoeHandle said:

@entrailbucket said:

@JoeHandle said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
So it's not at all clear what they're actually meant to be. They're hard to acquire and level which suggests they should be strong, but most of them are truly awful.

Went way back in the time machine to find this gobbledygook from the original announcement in April of 2018!

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/71833/brand-new-supports-feature-4-5-18

"We are excited to share a brand new feature we believe you will enjoy called Supports. Supports will be arriving in Marvel Puzzle Quest next week. What is Supports you ask? In brief, Supports brings all the elements of the Marvel Universe to Marvel Puzzle Quest in the form of bonus items, vehicles, locations, and sidekick (companion) characters, which will be equipped to your 3, 4, and 5-star characters, giving them access to increased stats and new powers and abilities! "

Basically, even back then it isn't clear quite what they are and how powerful they should be and nothing has really changed much in the seven + years since.

Disagree. They were a nonfactor for years. Impossible to finish and near zero impact on any game mode. Being a joke, no one cared, beyond thinking what might have been.

Then they became obtainable, and impactful, and player passions were aroused.

That's a heckuva lot of change.

I thought they were worthless and had no impact until they showed up in PvP, but I wasn't a PvE player. Players were using the free AP ones (and ONLY the free AP ones) to turn0 PvE fights for a long time.

A "long" time? Only since the release of 5May. Not that long before supports were tossed onto PvP.

Oh no, there were teams that could do it WAY before her! She's just the fastest/most reliable/accessible.

Again, nahhhh. Clunky convolute AP gimmick teams never set the pace, and therefore weren't affecting the PvE mode as a whole, until 5May came along. Various teams helped rosters prematurely punch up into higher SCLs, sure, but they were not fast. Not fast enough, anyway.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:
Something else that occurred to me while typing up the Sharon Carter review and PvP supports in general.

I know the idea has been floated to feature only some supports in PvP and rotate them in/out based on the week. The only downside to that is for newer players there may often be weeks they have no supports at all, especially if the list is only like 10 supports a week type thing.

Maybe another possibility is to allow all supports in PvP but only the R1 power (and perk if you qualify for it). Then rotate in weekly 'boost' and 'ultra boost' list. Those in the boost list would get R1-R3 powers that week and those in the ultra boost list would get R1-R5 powers. This makes all supports available (helps newer players with limited supports) but features a few supports each week (maybe put 8 in the boost and 4 others in the ultra boost type thing).

KGB

They really can't do this now, because they made supports so difficult to get. Players worked too hard (or spent too much, or both) acquiring and levelling supports to just give them to everyone for free.

See infinity stones. 4 of 6 of'em anyway.

And prev management nerfed one character after another, on an annual basis, after scads of players spent and chased them. Did players pitch fits and quit? Sure, some of'em even for good. Game is still here, tho.

Plenty of precedent, for good or ill.