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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,542 Chairperson of the Boards

    Surfer has a true heal and a perma-kill power, so I find him to be a pretty sustainable use character compared to Moon Knight who I have never had survive a battle it feels like. He is one of those characters I’ve seen other people really like and somehow when I try and use them it feels like I’ve never played the game lol. I didn’t even know he had a stun punish.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Surfer has a true heal and a perma-kill power, so I find him to be a pretty sustainable use character compared to Moon Knight who I have never had survive a battle it feels like. He is one of those characters I’ve seen other people really like and somehow when I try and use them it feels like I’ve never played the game lol. I didn’t even know he had a stun punish.

    Moon Knight is really good since his buff, but unless he's maxed out and/or boosted, his passive doesn't do enough against Chasm. Chasm stuns you once (probably, unless something goes terribly wrong) so you're getting your turn back + a decent hit, one time.

    He is very effective against repeat stunners though, and his kit is pretty good in general.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,911 Chairperson of the Boards

    Moon Knight is great but he does come with some setbacks. His green clears a row but it is random so he can sometimes get rid of something useful and his black requires management - it is a fantastic finisher that can also true heal you but it only works on the character with lowest health so it is situational.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,913 Chairperson of the Boards

    I haven't found either character particularly useful, tbh. They take so much damage that, even if you win, you can't keep doing it without 3 health packs.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,084 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm not saying 5MK is super great, but he is a lot of fun to use and you can usually win with him.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 659 Critical Contributor
    edited 20 May 2025, 00:23

    You are both right, he is all of those things; he is fun to play, he can win when you use him strategically and he is definitely not as good as he should be (when compared with upper tiers).

    Currently his only place in killing top tier (that I'm aware of) is when someone puts IronMay in the middle with Chasm, so he can 1 shot her. Even then, they likely have frog. Maaaybe against MThor Riri? Never tried him there since there are so many better options.

    Not sure I added MThor Riri as a meta team, maybe I should since I've seen some, but only in Sim.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 659 Critical Contributor
    edited 22 May 2025, 01:03

    Since I made a new account for the Moonstone video, I figured I might as well upload some of the other strategies being discussed.

    I believe some people here have a sincere distaste for the Fantasticar, if so, this one made my day! If this doesn't showcase the idea, nothin will, so BUCKLE UP!

    Phyla, Moondragon, MayParker VS Chasm, Baku, Namor (I'll paste these links next to the data on page 1):
    https://youtube.com/shorts/MRl1a8mRfTY?si=RT8iVMzTUYVwlGjf

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 659 Critical Contributor
    edited 22 May 2025, 19:39

    Added videos for some pick 2 and 3 hard to lose teams:
    Pick2: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xzCholZiMjU
    Pick3: https://youtube.com/shorts/OqPUDL2FQG8 (tank specific)

    If these updates are annoying, please let me know and I will just add the videos silently to page 1. If they helpful, also please let me know, and I will consider making more.

  • MCPenance
    MCPenance Posts: 16 Just Dropped In

    I think these videos are amazing and super informative. Please keep these up!

  • MCPenance
    MCPenance Posts: 16 Just Dropped In

    I can almost do the Phyla / Dragon / MayParker troll team. Just need to champ May Parker and I'm all set.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 659 Critical Contributor

    Thanks @MCPenance , very glad someone gets some value!

    I updated the Pick 2 section with a pick 2 can't lose team (team damage). In my experience, this is the most efficient and speedy way to shut down Juggy Sam, but it also works against Red and others. Nothing surprising, but Moon buffing Electros black is a big deal for speed:

    I'll add this note to the first page also, but please note I often use less good supports to avoid any RNG nonsense. Tcopter and Fcar are often the best options for a lot of these teams. For this one though, Implanted bomb would be nice if you had rank 5, plus the health gain is there for the 1 in a million change you drop your combo.

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