Agatha Harkness (Coven Leader) 5*

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,260 Chairperson of the Boards

    I haven’t tried her with anyone who’s not boosted but it seems like her match dmg boost happens between the match and the dmg applied, so she’s not making them tank necessarily.

    Agreed? If so, it’s kind of a bummer because I was hoping she’d sort of be a cheat code for getting all these people who work best when tanking, to do so.

  • Domitronas
    Domitronas Posts: 179 Tile Toppler

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Jinx said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

    I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

    Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

    She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

    Is she just a third with those pairs in pick-3, or would she, say, replace Shang-Chi (or m'Thor?) in the m'Thor/Shang-Chi pick-2 team?

    If someone new is going to be widely used, they'll have to push someone old out!

    I actually replaced mThor by Agatha in SC team. The match damage gets insane so quickly

  • tonypq
    tonypq Posts: 557 Critical Contributor

    @Domitronas said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Jinx said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

    I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

    Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

    She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

    Is she just a third with those pairs in pick-3, or would she, say, replace Shang-Chi (or m'Thor?) in the m'Thor/Shang-Chi pick-2 team?

    If someone new is going to be widely used, they'll have to push someone old out!

    I actually replaced mThor by Agatha in SC team. The match damage gets insane so quickly

    Match damage can ramp up quickly. Plus her blue can add more red for Shang to keep making matches boosting his MD and using red more often to trigger cascades or make some purple matches to KO someone with Shangs purple.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,657 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    I haven’t tried her with anyone who’s not boosted but it seems like her match dmg boost happens between the match and the dmg applied, so she’s not making them tank necessarily.

    Agreed? If so, it’s kind of a bummer because I was hoping she’d sort of be a cheat code for getting all these people who work best when tanking, to do so.

    Correct. If you click on a tile you'll see the base damage never changes (and thus who tanks that color). It's only at the time the damage is applied that the bonus happens because you can watch the match 3 damage steadily increase.

    I suspect a big part of the reason for this is because if the damage on the tile itself increased then other powers that destroy tiles and do tile damage would skyrocket too which would likely way over power her.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,846 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @bluewolf said:
    I haven’t tried her with anyone who’s not boosted but it seems like her match dmg boost happens between the match and the dmg applied, so she’s not making them tank necessarily.

    Agreed? If so, it’s kind of a bummer because I was hoping she’d sort of be a cheat code for getting all these people who work best when tanking, to do so.

    Correct. If you click on a tile you'll see the base damage never changes (and thus who tanks that color). It's only at the time the damage is applied that the bonus happens because you can watch the match 3 damage steadily increase.

    I suspect a big part of the reason for this is because if the damage on the tile itself increased then other powers that destroy tiles and do tile damage would skyrocket too which would likely way over power her.

    KGB

    I think they're just not consistent with how they handle match damage increases and tanking. Sometimes it increases tile strengths on the board and sometimes it doesn't.

  • Domitronas
    Domitronas Posts: 179 Tile Toppler

    I think this can all be fixed with something that starts with "new" and end with "gine"

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 729 Critical Contributor

    @Domitronas said:
    I think this can all be fixed with something that starts with "new" and end with "gine"

    New asparagine? I fail to see how an amino acid is going to solve that one, but maybe...

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,260 Chairperson of the Boards

    No, new margarine.

    The old stuff is getting moldy.

  • Painmonger
    Painmonger Posts: 179 Tile Toppler

    @Domitronas said:
    I think this can all be fixed with something that starts with "new" and end with "gine"

    Newfoundland Aubergine? Are we getting a new tile color?

  • JediJones77
    JediJones77 Posts: 59 Match Maker

    The Heroic, Elite and Mighty tokens on the Recruit tab all still say "Featuring Agatha Harkness (Governess)" on them. Normally this tagline should've disappeared Thursday morning. It only lasts for two weeks for each new 3-star character. But for some reason, it's still there. Clicking into the pool still shows the increased odds tag on Agatha.

    So, did something change? Are the increased odds now going to last for longer than two weeks in these tokens? Is this just a mistake, and they should've been taken away by now? Or, the worst case scenario, is this merely a visual bug, and the increased odds are not actually happening right now?

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @JediJones77 said:
    The Heroic, Elite and Mighty tokens on the Recruit tab all still say "Featuring Agatha Harkness (Governess)" on them. Normally this tagline should've disappeared Thursday morning. It only lasts for two weeks for each new 3-star character. But for some reason, it's still there. Clicking into the pool still shows the increased odds tag on Agatha.

    So, did something change? Are the increased odds now going to last for longer than two weeks in these tokens? Is this just a mistake, and they should've been taken away by now? Or, the worst case scenario, is this merely a visual bug, and the increased odds are not actually happening right now?

    I've been pulling all weekend and I think that the odds are still increased. This is unscientific, but I definitely seem to be pulling more Agatha than the normal odds would have.

  • JediJones77
    JediJones77 Posts: 59 Match Maker

    If the new norm is to keep the bonus pulls for the new 3-star running continuously, then that's probably a good thing. It'll make it easier to build up that character. Although, it will slow down pulling of older characters.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,260 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2024

    @JediJones77 said:
    If the new norm is to keep the bonus pulls for the new 3-star running continuously, then that's probably a good thing. It'll make it easier to build up that character. Although, it will slow down pulling of older characters.

    While this is true....dilution is getting quite bad, and as far as older characters go, your best bet is to utilize favoriting them vs hoping that you hit that 1/71 pulls you need.

    I assume this continued weighting is intentional.....I mean mistakes have happened before, but the length of time on this is kind of making me think its intended.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:

    @JediJones77 said:
    If the new norm is to keep the bonus pulls for the new 3-star running continuously, then that's probably a good thing. It'll make it easier to build up that character. Although, it will slow down pulling of older characters.

    While this is true....dilution is getting quite bad, and as far as older characters go, your best bet is to utilize favoriting them vs hoping that you hit that 1/71 pulls you need.

    I assume this continued weighting is intentional.....I mean mistakes have happened before, but the length of time on this is kind of making me think its intended.

    It will change over to the new one a week from Thursday, unless they decide to do only a 5★ instead of a 5/3★ release. But they haven't done that for a long time, and it's pretty clear that was an outlier.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,260 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2024

    @GrimSkald said:

    @bluewolf said:

    @JediJones77 said:
    If the new norm is to keep the bonus pulls for the new 3-star running continuously, then that's probably a good thing. It'll make it easier to build up that character. Although, it will slow down pulling of older characters.

    While this is true....dilution is getting quite bad, and as far as older characters go, your best bet is to utilize favoriting them vs hoping that you hit that 1/71 pulls you need.

    I assume this continued weighting is intentional.....I mean mistakes have happened before, but the length of time on this is kind of making me think its intended.

    It will change over to the new one a week from Thursday, unless they decide to do only a 5★ instead of a 5/3★ release. But they haven't done that for a long time, and it's pretty clear that was an outlier.

    The What's New MPQ thread shows that the next release is, indeed, a 3/5, as every one has been since......well, basically September 2022 when Emma was released, although they didn't pair 3/5s every time until Kang in Feb 2023 firmly established the practice.

  • Wolvie171
    Wolvie171 Posts: 212 Tile Toppler

    I'm guessing the increased odds for 3* Agatha did not end because the next release was a 2* (for Headpool) instead of the usual 4*. If that's the case, chuck this as a one-off as things should return to normal next season.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,260 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Wolvie171 said:
    I'm guessing the increased odds for 3* Agatha did not end because the next release was a 2* (for Headpool) instead of the usual 4*. If that's the case, chuck this as a one-off as things should return to normal next season.

    Possibly?

    I can see how they might decide to give us a hand on new 3s, to help with dilution, by making them more likely for 4 weeks.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,846 Chairperson of the Boards

    They probably just forgot to turn off the increased odds.

  • Wolvie171
    Wolvie171 Posts: 212 Tile Toppler

    Honestly, it could be any one or all of these possibilities. Since we may never get a direct answer, it's all conjecture.

    I'm all for extending the timeframe of the increased odds, to help with dilution and such, but that also runs counter to their offers to sell more covers of the new releases. Who knows lol

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    This is a bit crazy. I was going to post a turn 0 win with her, but we can no longer post video on the forums.

    Agatha and her blue is broken. I have turn 0'd 5 times with my opponents all being god boosted.
    With the right supports and team comp you will almost always gain enough ap to blow out the enemy on turn 1 or 2.

    I seem to rarely get a match-3 straight out the gate with her blue power. Even firing it twice seems to get me AP only like half the time. It almost always sets up a match, but then the turn moves on, so that's not winfinite.

    Even with 9 blue AP (is that even possible?) I think you're not going to get a first turn blue AP without a match a significant amount of the time.

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