Agatha Harkness (Coven Leader) 5*

bluewolf

@tonypq said:
When teammates make matches, it doesn't seem to show the increase in their match damage from her yellow when clicking the character portrait I noticed.

Is there a certain go to support everyone's using for her ?

This seems to be common when characters are boosted dynamically in match by some effect, regardless of who it is. See also: Implanted Bomb.

I don’t know that there’s a specific support exactly, but purple AP is extremely useful, so maybe Quantum Realm.

entrailbucket

Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

slidecage

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Who is meta now

Guessing
5 star aunt may
Mthor
Not sure who else

Borstock

@slidecage said:

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Who is meta now

Guessing
5 star aunt may
Mthor
Not sure who else

Depends on your definition of meta. Answers seem to vary fairly wildly. Personally, though she's my favorite character in the game, and is used a lot, I don't consider mThor meta. 🤷

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:

@slidecage said:

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Who is meta now

Guessing
5 star aunt may
Mthor
Not sure who else

Depends on your definition of meta. Answers seem to vary fairly wildly. Personally, though she's my favorite character in the game, and is used a lot, I don't consider mThor meta. 🤷

I always quote it because it's not an adjective, and I agree that the definition is pretty squishy.

The idea is the group of characters that have the highest representation in the metagame, which has generally evolved to mean those that are both usable and also widely used when unboosted.

WilliamK1983

Oh she plays unboosted. Took Agatha(454), Colossus(478), and mthor(508) into shield sim. Played as much a variety as I could and lost once in seven quick matches. Lost to a 550 OR and Chasm with 370 3* Aunt May, which I expected just not as quickly as it happened. Couple got a tad bit dicey, but that was more my fault for not paying attention to the AI's ap and kept getting myself stunned by Polaris in one and Riri in another.

Jinx

@bluewolf said:

@Jinx said:
I switched to Math or and Colossus and it’s my favorite team.

Slidecage should have used some of that math Jinx is so excited about.

Oops. Got auto corrected. Meant Mthor

Jinx

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

entrailbucket

@Jinx said:

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

Is she just a third with those pairs in pick-3, or would she, say, replace Shang-Chi (or m'Thor?) in the m'Thor/Shang-Chi pick-2 team?

If someone new is going to be widely used, they'll have to push someone old out!

Kross

Has anyone made a (the) definitive post on how (multiple ways) to use her? She still seems confusing to me.

bluewolf

@Jinx said:

@bluewolf said:

@Jinx said:
I switched to Math or and Colossus and it’s my favorite team.

Slidecage should have used some of that math Jinx is so excited about.

Oops. Got auto corrected. Meant Mthor

I figured, but everything lined up so perfectly.

Painmonger

@Jinx said:
She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

I have been using her for the past 2 events with 4Jugg5, adding MThor when it was a pick 3. Pretty solid team, I could get through challenge nodes with minimal risk. Her % boosts don't change with her being boosted, so I don't see it being vastly different when she goes back to regular levels.

tonypq

I paired her a few times with Onslaught and that worked well with match 4s and some devastating cascades. Not sure if he's better or worse than other potential partners but he was decent when I gave him a shot.

Also tried using her with Shang which which worked well. His match damage got up there after a few matches. With red you can try to manually trigger cascades on many boards.

Karnak worked well too. Between his high match damage after few turns then being boosted with her yellow. The crit tiles thrown in can cause serious damage as well, especially if one or both triggered a cascade. Once his match damage boosts after a few turns you can just about one-shot enemies, especially if matching one of his crit tiles. He was one shooting everyone in the challenge node.

She's one of the most versatile characters released in ages with how many teams she can fit in with. She seems kind of future proof as well since she should work great with any new characters down the road, especially anyone with a march damage game.

bluewolf

I haven’t tried her with anyone who’s not boosted but it seems like her match dmg boost happens between the match and the dmg applied, so she’s not making them tank necessarily.

Agreed? If so, it’s kind of a bummer because I was hoping she’d sort of be a cheat code for getting all these people who work best when tanking, to do so.

Domitronas

@entrailbucket said:

@Jinx said:

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

Is she just a third with those pairs in pick-3, or would she, say, replace Shang-Chi (or m'Thor?) in the m'Thor/Shang-Chi pick-2 team?

If someone new is going to be widely used, they'll have to push someone old out!

I actually replaced mThor by Agatha in SC team. The match damage gets insane so quickly

tonypq

@Domitronas said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Jinx said:

@entrailbucket said:
Seems like Agatha is very highly regarded.

I'll ask the dumb question -- is she good enough to replace any of the current "meta" characters? Which ones, and how?

Edit: for an awful lot of folks this isn't a "dumb" question at all, and I don't mean to put them down. In fact it's probably the most important question for many of you! It feels weird just asking it, though, and I don't know how meaningfully I can contribute to the discussion.

She is 100% meta. Best character to pair with any team that has high match damage and has a chance at cascades. (Hence the Colossus/Mthor pairing) Would be good with Juggs/Grocket, but wouldn’t caved as many colors. Always looking for new suggestions though.

Is she just a third with those pairs in pick-3, or would she, say, replace Shang-Chi (or m'Thor?) in the m'Thor/Shang-Chi pick-2 team?

If someone new is going to be widely used, they'll have to push someone old out!

I actually replaced mThor by Agatha in SC team. The match damage gets insane so quickly

Match damage can ramp up quickly. Plus her blue can add more red for Shang to keep making matches boosting his MD and using red more often to trigger cascades or make some purple matches to KO someone with Shangs purple.

KGB

@bluewolf said:
I haven’t tried her with anyone who’s not boosted but it seems like her match dmg boost happens between the match and the dmg applied, so she’s not making them tank necessarily.

Agreed? If so, it’s kind of a bummer because I was hoping she’d sort of be a cheat code for getting all these people who work best when tanking, to do so.

Correct. If you click on a tile you'll see the base damage never changes (and thus who tanks that color). It's only at the time the damage is applied that the bonus happens because you can watch the match 3 damage steadily increase.

I suspect a big part of the reason for this is because if the damage on the tile itself increased then other powers that destroy tiles and do tile damage would skyrocket too which would likely way over power her.

KGB

entrailbucket

@KGB said:

@bluewolf said:
I haven’t tried her with anyone who’s not boosted but it seems like her match dmg boost happens between the match and the dmg applied, so she’s not making them tank necessarily.

Agreed? If so, it’s kind of a bummer because I was hoping she’d sort of be a cheat code for getting all these people who work best when tanking, to do so.

Correct. If you click on a tile you'll see the base damage never changes (and thus who tanks that color). It's only at the time the damage is applied that the bonus happens because you can watch the match 3 damage steadily increase.

I suspect a big part of the reason for this is because if the damage on the tile itself increased then other powers that destroy tiles and do tile damage would skyrocket too which would likely way over power her.

KGB

I think they're just not consistent with how they handle match damage increases and tanking. Sometimes it increases tile strengths on the board and sometimes it doesn't.

Domitronas

I think this can all be fixed with something that starts with "new" and end with "gine"

WhiteBomber

@Domitronas said:
I think this can all be fixed with something that starts with "new" and end with "gine"

New asparagine? I fail to see how an amino acid is going to solve that one, but maybe...