Who will be Rebalanced due to Champion 2.0?

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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    4* Grocket

    @Bowgentle said:

    @Ptahhotep said:
    Some of the characters may already have been rebalanced. The notes say that a character’s powers can be changed at different levels independently.

    Pretty sure they would have told us about it.

    Are you? We’ve had to ask about a few rebalances already lol.

    I assume these ascendant levels have been pre-balanced, otherwise there would be no need to batch release them.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Never assume.
    They didn't even catch that Chasm would be problematic before releasing him, so... Yeah.
    My trust in them doing proactive rebalances is pretty low.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,973 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Never assume.
    They didn't even catch that Chasm would be problematic before releasing him, so... Yeah.
    My trust in them doing proactive rebalances is pretty low.

    Which do you trust less? That they'd do proactive rebalances or that they'd give us the details on them?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    Never assume.
    They didn't even catch that Chasm would be problematic before releasing him, so... Yeah.
    My trust in them doing proactive rebalances is pretty low.

    Which do you trust less? That they'd do proactive rebalances or that they'd give us the details on them?

    Proactive rebalances.
    Because those would have been included in the 9000 word essay they put out.
    I think.

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    What would the criteria be for a proactive rebalance?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    I dunno, overwhelmingly good win rates for ascended 1*s against natural 5s?
    That's assuming they play tested this... Oh.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,284 Chairperson of the Boards
    4* Deathlok

    Some of the screenshots posted in other threads have already shown changes in powers to characters when they ascend so we know for sure they are making changes at ascended levels.

    Presumably this is why it's being released in batch form (a few at a time) rather than all characters at once.

    KGB

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    So when are they telling us about those changes?

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    On offense overwhelmingly good win rates are assumed and demanded.

    And there's nothing to suggest anyone thinks ascended characters should perform below the level of their natural counterparts.

    I think the only thing that would (and should?) prompt any sort of rebalance would be unusually high win rates on defence and that's probably going to result from some synergy rather than the individual character powers, so my approach on this would be to see what the real world data throws out once this is in place - we'll find the game breaking combinations, have a bit of fun with them, and wait for the nerfs.

  • jsmjsmjsm00
    jsmjsmjsm00 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker
    Other (Comment below)

    They literally told us that they are rebalancing the characters by star rank and that ascension is not simply a leveled up character.

    That is why they are rolling out in batches.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    They told us they CAN rebalance them by star rank.
    Not that they did already.

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor
    edited September 2023

    They are tweaking the algorithmically generated stats in case there's any obvious breaking of power budgets, sure, but that's not a gameplay-based process.

    We know from Magik that they can pre-nerf characters, and we know from Magik that it's not something the community would describe as one of their strengths.

    So I don't expect any significant changes in characters between their ascension levels until we've found some fun exploits.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    Which will take about 5 minutes.
    The question is, will they nerf faster than in Chasm's case, which... would be good.

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor
    edited September 2023

    Well there's a lot of characters, so it may take a while to find the really overpowered but overlooked ones, although some of the obvious candidates might well produce something.

    I find I'm really looking forward to it all.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    I had so much fun running 3* Gambatt back in the day, I'm fine with trolling people in PVP with OP 1s.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023
    4* Grocket

    what was the third piece of the Mr F/Medusa defense team everyone hated? i cant recall. Carnage maybe?

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    I don't remember it tbh but Carnage or maybe Lockjaw sounds plausible.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    It was Carnage.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023
    4* Grocket

    Well, 2/3 of those characters are in Wave 1, and Carbage serves the same if not a better role as middleman, so I guess we can look forward to that coming back. Or rather you all can, since I plan to bring it back after getting 13 Mr f covers to make a dupe

  • helix72
    helix72 Posts: 997 Critical Contributor
    Other (Comment below)

    I won't say who, but there's a character that I think will be so broken at a 5* level that I plan to use them copiously until the day they get nerfed. I'm not as worried about the others as I think they all have reasonable counters. Chasm, as neutered as he is, will still be useful for turn 1 stunning some teams.

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