Oh for sure, any 5* engine that is contingent on a 4* component will at best only work on offense in 5* play. I was merely saying that even a less than max champ 4* has powers that are superior to a 16 levels past champ 5* and in my book, that puts him squarely in dud status.
@DAZ0273 said: I guess I should also try Ultron out as he is boosted past 500 for me. What does he do?
Once there are enough strike tiles on the board, he starts boosting. I find him most effective paired with Kitty.
Kingpin/Ultron/Deathlock works. As does kingpin/Ultron/5*Carnage.
I have tried using him a bunch. I wanted to give him a fair shake. He seems to be really bad at everything he does.
If we were to fix him, he needs to be stun immune. He needs to fortify a special tile every turn. His red needs to be reworked to do more damage for less AP.
Everything that he does others do better. I never see him in pvp boosted anymore. In PvE unboosted heroes just do better, and the heroes he synergizes with have better partners.
Using Wasp after her rebalance, she feels like she has more kick than Ultron. Sinister does things that Ultron doesn't. Rescue is pretty low down now so she is fair to place below him. Knull is far better. Odin is pretty bad, but he's very good at what he does.
So the bottom rung is Abigail, Ultron, Black Widow, Rescue, Sinister, and IW Cap?
Oh there's way more than that.
Loki, Heimdall, Hela, Havok, Yelena, Black Bolt, Cable, Storm.
This is why it's so infuriating that they took two months off to buff Yellowjacket (who wasn't even that bad) and Magik (who was brand new and should have been fixed prerelease).
Storm boosted is fine and she's one of the MVPs of the Support Quests. She doesn't need a lot.
Yelena boosted is also fine. I use her all the time when she's boosted.
There was a week Ultron was boosted at the same time as BRB and that was not fun. Loki is useless. Black Widow is useless. OML is underratedly useless. Sinister doesn’t need a rebalance. He needs a total rework. Rescue same.
Just used Odin + Ultron + Kingpin to climb to 1200 in Odin's PvP. Only took 3 losses, no shields used, in slice 1. Took very little damage in most matches.
Boosted Ultron is legit. His red hits hard. Boosted kingpin is also good so together, they're very good.
I think Abigail is the worst (she has a bunch of active and passive powers and they somehow ALL do nothing), but you could construct a pretty convincing case for any one of about 7 or 8 characters. There's another handful that are just barely above them. The bottom tier 5* are really bad.
@entrailbucket said: I think Abigail is the worst (she has a bunch of active and passive powers and they somehow ALL do nothing), but you could construct a pretty convincing case for any one of about 7 or 8 characters. There's another handful that are just barely above them. The bottom tier 5* are really bad.
I still disagree. Team Abigail with someone who does stuff as her tiles resolve and the spam game becomes quite fun. How is she worse than Natasha? All active powers. All WAY too expensive with few benefits other than dmg. How is she worse than Parker? A blue stun that works against his other powers if you use it. And a red and green active that are dependent on web tiles being on the board in a tier where almost no one else creates web tiles except the beast who denies AP.
Right! Like I said... I think she's the worst, but you could construct a convincing case for any one of about 7 or 8 others. Like you've done for Widow and Peter! They're all very bad.
What if you could make up a pick 3 made entirely of the same character? A team of three 5* dr strangers would be the absolute worst, I can’t believe 3 Abigail’s would lose to them. Dr strange is so awful people don’t even remember he exists
Dr Strange was overpowered back when you had to cast powers to win fights. That's why his health had to be so low -- he'd have been impossible to beat if he had more.
These days, if you cast a power it's by accident, or because you felt like it, so he doesn't actually do anything anymore. The 3* version gets used in PvE a lot, but everyone else has better options for those fights.
I'd like to see him trigger damage every time an active or passive activates.
I would love to simply find a good partner for Abagail but I’ve failed many times.
Her most useful active (if you could call it that, since it’s tied to a CD) is probably her yellow. I can find a MASSIVE number of uses for it….. if it wasn’t tied to a stupid CD. She’s PAINFULLY slow. And the payoff makes it not worth it.
@Borstock said: @entrailbucket said: I think Abigail is the worst (she has a bunch of active and passive powers and they somehow ALL do nothing), but you could construct a pretty convincing case for any one of about 7 or 8 characters. There's another handful that are just barely above them. The bottom tier 5* are really bad. I still disagree. Team Abigail with someone who does stuff as her tiles resolve and the spam game becomes quite fun. How is she worse than Natasha? All active powers. All WAY too expensive with few benefits other than dmg. How is she worse than Parker? A blue stun that works against his other powers if you use it. And a red and green active that are dependent on web tiles being on the board in a tier where almost no one else creates web tiles except the beast who denies AP.
@Borstock said:
I can (and have) found a team for Peter despite his lack of power. Putting him with Chasm and Miles is actually a pretty good anti-chasm team and you don’t have to worry about a never-ending chasm vs chasm battle at the end.
Natasha has decent power and her actives do stuff…… it just takes FOREVER to fire any of them just once. And her only passive stuns a random enemy for only 1 turn. Making it pretty meaningless most of the time. Her actives have conditions to meet to get almost double the damage and manipulate AP. But……
The cost of her powers AND conditions for the extra damage/AP manipulation MUST be altered if you’re gonna keep her with the same powerset language. I feel like a fool gathering 12 AP for her red power AND THEN waiting/hoping the enemy gets 12 AP in an AP pool just to get the bang for my buck.
She has passives that do burst heal, destroy enemy AP, and remove enemy SAP. Those are about the 3 worst things you can do.
You basically have to stick her with another CD spam guy, like Hawkeye or Cousin, but all she's doing is destroying a few enemy AP, giving a few burst heal, or converting 1 enemy tile. She only adds a few extra Hawkeye or Coulson triggers, and other guys can do that better.
Oh -- AND she gets basically nothing from the boost. Her damage is still really low and her passives don't scale.
@entrailbucket said: I'd like to see him trigger damage every time an active or passive activates.
@entrailbucket said:
I'm guessing you have a 550 Dr. Strange...I imagine that would add up to a LOT of free damage...
The worst part about Abigail’s yellow is that it can target other instances of her yellow CD if you manage to get several of them out at once. For that move to justify a 2-turn CD, it needs to proc every repeater and cd in play, but since it only does one, it’s awful. Imagine running her with Ronan if it could hit them all at once.
@DAZ0273 said: @entrailbucket said: I'd like to see him trigger damage every time an active or passive activates. I'm guessing you have a 550 Dr. Strange...I imagine that would add up to a LOT of free damage...
@DAZ0273 said:
Strange vs Strange should then technically melt each other until 1 of them is downed and the other is mortally wounded.
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