Gargantos Boss Event Change (Live) (6/23/22)

Painmonger

I have to say, asuch as it does take a little longer, I appreciate having more puzzle in my puzzle quest from time to time. My alliance is pretty good at boss events, and currently in round 7 and on target to finish 8 with the 2nd flip Saturday with 19 players, so it's very doable if you don't talk yourself out of it. I also feel like 2 5* covers SHOULD be more of a challenge to acquire.

I do also recognize that I've been playing a long time, so I have a developed roster & experience with the Heroics of old, so I can definitely understand the frustrations of players who haven't been around for 2+ years. I also think it's a little funny the patch only boosted the loaned characters, so if you have the required characters leveled up already there's pretty much no change there.

Juggernaut is the Hulk of the Dark Avengers, so why isn't he on the list for boosted 4s?

Lastly, I'm not sure I buy the explaination for 1* in the vault. We've had hundreds of events with boosted/required Storm, Spidey, Ironman etc & I don't remember that ever happening before.

Omegased

I just did a full clear on round six without using a health pack.

I used goblin, agent venom, venom, daken, scorpion and loaner samdak.

If your fours are above 300 you should do fine. 
Add some supports and ap boosts. Agent venom is oneshotting gargs on turn two.

Initially this event seemed terrible but so far it's been manageable. Well see the later rounds

FairyBlades52

I’m not having any issues with SD, Venom and Scorpion, no supports. Our alliance just got to round 6. 

The roster restriction is just hurting some of the smaller roster, newer players, but hopefully we make it to R8. 

I like the synergy, how SD red will use Venoms enemy protects. 

Wïnter

Appreciate the fast response! Hopefully we can all get through round 7 and 8.

NemoAbernnigan

I've seen a lot of people use the term Heroic to refer to this boss event, and I'm totally out of the loop on that. What exactly does that mean in this context?

TheVulture

NemoAbernnigan said:

I've seen a lot of people use the term Heroic to refer to this boss event, and I'm totally out of the loop on that. What exactly does that mean in this context?

It is just the term the previous dev used when they implemented PvE events with boosted rewards and restricted rosters - it has been done before, though possibly years ago!

Zalasta

We're half way through round 7, which is a bit behind where we might normally be, but we won't have any problem finishing the event. Not sure how things would have ended up if they hadn't tweaked Gargantos in the early rounds. As is, he's annoying, but I think they could still boost his health a bit.

LavaManLee

NemoAbernnigan said:

I've seen a lot of people use the term Heroic to refer to this boss event, and I'm totally out of the loop on that. What exactly does that mean in this context?

https://marvelpuzzlequest.fandom.com/wiki/Heroic_Mode

Ugh

character restrictions = not playing  Wish I had known ahead of time so I wouldn't have even bothered logging in

Daredevil217

Finally having read this entire thread (and the what’s new thread previously discussing this)… some comments. 

1) Thank you to the developers! You essentially responded to a lot of long time requests in one fell swoop. “Boss events are too easy”, “bring back Heroics”!, and “boss events should have 5* rewards” we’re all addressed. You are being insanely generous with not one but two full 5* covers. Making it much harder with the limited rosters makes sense.  

2) Thank you again for the quick adjustments, but more importantly for sticking to your guns. I understand you don’t want to upset your consumers first day on the job, but customers shouldn’t get to call all the shots either. It’s supposed to be hard. Not all players or alliances should be reaching round 8 and getting 2 5* covers. 

3) The vitriol here is expected. Some people want to mindlessly Hulkoye every node and are frustrated they can’t. The call for just one free/non-required roster spot is code for “let me Shang-Chi everything to death”. The it takes “hours” with these “god awful characters” hyperbole is also untrue (Bad posted a 2 minute victory in R6 with loaners).  I really hope the complaints don’t dissuade from doing this again in the future.

4) I’ve noticed the backlash has calmed as people are actually being told strategies to figure this event out. Some people (we all know who they are) will refuse any sort of advice, throw their hands up, say “nothing works”, make the developers bad, and threaten to quit because they’re not interested in solving the puzzle, they just want the rewards. 

5) I’ve been saying that this is coming (not this exact event mind you, but a new push for building all characters). Ever since 5* boosts, I’ve been telling folks the writing is now on the proverbial wall. The developers are pushing building wide and investing in all characters, not sitting on a stack of resources and unloading on one character once a year. I said this, some people refused to adapt and are some of the most vocal complainers of this change and of PvP booosts. So I’m saying it again. This is the game moving forward. The resource spigot Is definitely being loosened with the  new development team, which is great. The trade-off however is an expectation that you invest those bumped resources in all characters. Not just Shang and Okoye.

[I had people in my alliance saying “I guess I need to level up Yelena finally. Ugh. No one wants that”. And I’m over here like “she’s low key one of my favorite 5s. I think she’s great”. I don’t think she’s unusable trash because I chased her, played her, and know her value.]

6) I’m seeing a ton of pride in those able to put a dent in the boss and I guarantee that those that are able to get a KK cover will appreciate it and feel they earned it so much more than if they were able to meta force their way to easy rewards like always.  We are already seeing some people express appreciation for people on their roster that they never have before. Scorpion, Flash Venom and Yelena are getting their flowers in ways they haven’t before.  That gauntlet-esque feeling of pride has been missing in this game for awhile. I hope it’s hear to stay honestly. And am honestly excited for the next crop of characters that we get to tinker and find synergy with. I hope it’s a different group but similarly restrictive (not all heroes, or villains, or Avengers or mutants). 

Tony_Foot

Great post Daredevil. 

I had people in my alliance state they didn’t think they could contribute with just meta roster or someone with No champed 5* and no 4* over level 300. Just checked, his highest four star is throg at 285.

One had the highest alliance score and the other almost 700k.

The trigger on this was pulled too fast. I also think the forum needs to be changed to IGN so,

When people are ranting it’s possible you can see the roster and offer help and also the devs can see the roster of someone offering feedback.

trenchdigger

Don't usually post here, but want to provide balance to all the negative comments and say I'm loving this event.
Our alliance has just made it into Round 8, and I'm sure will complete the rewards.
It has taken some cajouling, as we had a few toys out of prams with members saying it was too hard and wanting to boycot the event.
However, once you change your mindset and realise that you are going to work for these better rewards rather than randomly move a few tiles around and let your passives do the work for you, it is so much more satisfying when you win.
I'm loving the puzzle element to this event, characters I never normally use, new synergies, strategic use of boosts, supports, etc.
I hope this is the start of a new trend (harder battles but better rewards) and ask the devs not to be put off by the vocal few on the forum.

IceIX

trenchdigger said:

Don't usually post here, but want to provide balance to all the negative comments and say I'm loving this event.
Our alliance has just made it into Round 8, and I'm sure will complete the rewards.
It has taken some cajouling, as we had a few toys out of prams with members saying it was too hard and wanting to boycot the event.

It's possible that players would have come back and tried it after saying "heck no" with the previous settings, but from the data that we were getting, the event needed a bit of a bump to make it more *generally* approachable. Post bump it's been great! We've been seeing a lot of engagement from players that don't normally get a look in, and Alliances overall are clearing further than they normally would. So while I certainly wouldn't say this is a total success, there seems to have been much more positive than negative with a lot of the negative things that can be actively worked on to fix in future.

And that even goes for non-Heroic events, so if you read that thinking that the sky may be falling and it's Heroics all the way down from now on, fret not.

Brettrocks

This event is horrible!!! The exact opposite of fun.  My alliance has a must participate rule and I told them they can kick me out if there’s ever another one like this.  I don’t mind being forced to use ONE character but all three is stupid and boring

Ormisdas

I have to say I don't understand so much complaining, so much laziness behind it...
I'm almost using only the loaners and this is by far the most entertaining boos event in... years! Usually the boss events are a bit boring, like receiving gifts for nothing, but this is challenging.
If I want to receive 5* covers it has to be difficult, isn't it?

Bad

IceIX said:

Post bump it's been great! We've been seeing a lot of engagement from players that don't normally get a look in, and Alliances overall are clearing further than they normally would. So while I certainly wouldn't say this is a total success, there seems to have been much more positive than negative with a lot of the negative things that can be actively worked on to fix in future.

I'm glad that you have your metrics showing the real truth (this fact truly will frustrate more the Team Lazy).
I'm enjoying the event quite a lot.
Now another hint: the loaners should have another push, because if on round 6 was perfectly possible (sorry for the people not willing to accept the video if they don't see 30 blue tiles), on round 7 gargantos has scalated on health and the loaners don't have enough firepower anymore.

HoundofShadow

I'm not sure if it makes sense to create loaners that will allow any players (including 1* player) to finish up till Round 7 and Round 8. I think there should be a line drawn somewhere.

NMANOZ1

IceIX said:

trenchdigger said:

Don't usually post here, but want to provide balance to all the negative comments and say I'm loving this event.
Our alliance has just made it into Round 8, and I'm sure will complete the rewards.
It has taken some cajouling, as we had a few toys out of prams with members saying it was too hard and wanting to boycot the event.

It's possible that players would have come back and tried it after saying "heck no" with the previous settings, but from the data that we were getting, the event needed a bit of a bump to make it more *generally* approachable. Post bump it's been great! We've been seeing a lot of engagement from players that don't normally get a look in, and Alliances overall are clearing further than they normally would. So while I certainly wouldn't say this is a total success, there seems to have been much more positive than negative with a lot of the negative things that can be actively worked on to fix in future.

And that even goes for non-Heroic events, so if you read that thinking that the sky may be falling and it's Heroics all the way down from now on, fret not.

I work full time Wednesday to Sunday so slowing the event down isn't ideal. Plus I am on the east coast of Australia where the event starts at 4am so slowing me down at the beginning, slows down the rest of my alliance who have weaker rosters. I always hit progression but this making things rough. Plus if my alliance is still going to the last group of side nodes which start at 4am.

Normally not a problem in regular events where you can choose time slots but this is unfair to those of us who aren't in Europe or the Americas.

Dok12

Agreed with several above posters - I do agree the change was abrupt and really frustrating at first, but I respect the devs for their vision and their willingness to adjust the challenge while sticking to the vision. 

I've never been as invested in boss events as I have in this one. Having to play more cautiously with characters I'm not used to makes the game more exciting and thoughtful than what I've been used to. My alliance is a mix of old and new, and while there was a fair mix of grumbling and despair at the beginning, there's a real sense of teamwork where the newer players still hit as hard as they can with loaners while older players provide support with better leveled characters. We're finishing up r7 and look on track to get all rewards. 

Polares

This event is awful, like really bad. 

I don’t mind having an event like past Heroic events (even though I prefer free selection), but the characters available for this event have 0 synergy between them, some have even negative synergy between them like Daken and GG. If you are going to give us a limited roster at least put a little bit of thought into them and give us chars we can play together.

Remember this is a game and it is supposed to be FUN, not a hassle.

If this awful events continue I am done. 

PS: Everyone in my Alliance is also hating this event.