MPQ Winter 2021 Holiday Plan!

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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    If there's a rework, we'll probably be made aware of it now. I remember Dr Ock had a rework due to some Spiderman tie-in.

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/76497/doctor-octopus-classic-character-update-12-12-18

    Rebalancing old characters generates a lot of interest, so it's something they would like to share early. 

    Dr Ock rework anniversart is on 12/13, which is in another 3 days' time.


  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,962 Chairperson of the Boards
    Not sure why they would re-work Spider-Verse Kingpin now for a movie that is the best part of a year away (and which may not even feature him in).
    Boosting Goblin's numbers would be nice though.

  • mdreyer93
    mdreyer93 Posts: 149 Tile Toppler
    DAZ0273 said:
    Not sure why they would re-work Spider-Verse Kingpin now for a movie that is the best part of a year away (and which may not even feature him in).
    Boosting Goblin's numbers would be nice though.

    Black Suit Spider-Man could use a boost & AP cost reduction
  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor
    Tony_Foot said:
    mdreyer93 said:
    DAZ0273 said:
    Not sure why they would re-work Spider-Verse Kingpin now for a movie that is the best part of a year away (and which may not even feature him in).
    Boosting Goblin's numbers would be nice though.

    Black Suit Spider-Man could use a boost & AP cost reduction
    Such a shame they didn’t make him ignore shield tiles too. Then they could leave his AP costs as far as I’m concerned! This game needs a meta spider man. They left Parker without a partner for too long.
    His green already does ignore protect tiles.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    He's so weird because he has that passive that's not...good, necessarily, but when you need it you really need it and nobody else can do that.

    If they rebalanced him he'd absolutely have to keep that, which unfortunately kind of limits how good the rest of his powers can be.
  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    Spider as a 1*,3* and 4* is ok.
    But on 5* tier he should be amazing and really helpful to his partners, it's the character's esence.
    He really needs a rebalance. 
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,609 Chairperson of the Boards
    Or, consider, Spider-Man is a street level hero with just enough power to be the neighborhood watch. Bringing him to fight Thanos should be like bringing a local track star to the Olympics. He is faster than me and you, but would they even win a medal on the world stage? Maybe spider-man is exactly as good as he should be? (But also buff everyone lol)
  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,899 Chairperson of the Boards
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Or, consider, Spider-Man is a street level hero with just enough power to be the neighborhood watch. Bringing him to fight Thanos should be like bringing a local track star to the Olympics. He is faster than me and you, but would they even win a medal on the world stage? Maybe spider-man is exactly as good as he should be? (But also buff everyone lol)
    Comparing Spider-Man to a local track star is just VASTLY under estimating how powerful spider-man is.  Spider-man is fast enough to doge machine guns at point blank range and has dodged lasers (literal beams of light).  His spider sense also gives him omnipresent awareness of his surroundings and actions going on around him (Proffesor X has said that spider-man is borderline precog) 

    Not to mention that spider-man has not only gone toe to toe with the hulk, he's KO'ed him before.  When doc ock took over spider-man's body during the superior spider-man arc he was shocked at how strong spider-man actually is and accidentally took a dudes head off with a light jab and came to the realization that spider-man is constantly holding back his true strength when fighting for fear of accidentally killing them.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    I just don't know what you'd actually do with him, assuming he has to keep his passive as is, and that he can't become good or useful compared to the top tier guys.

    If you just fix his numbers and drop the AP cost on his green to the point where you can actually cast it, I think it makes him actually be good, and we can't have that.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    BriMan2222 said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Or, consider, Spider-Man is a street level hero with just enough power to be the neighborhood watch. Bringing him to fight Thanos should be like bringing a local track star to the Olympics. He is faster than me and you, but would they even win a medal on the world stage? Maybe spider-man is exactly as good as he should be? (But also buff everyone lol)
    Comparing Spider-Man to a local track star is just VASTLY under estimating how powerful spider-man is.  Spider-man is fast enough to doge machine guns at point blank range and has dodged lasers (literal beams of light).  His spider sense also gives him omnipresent awareness of his surroundings and actions going on around him (Proffesor X has said that spider-man is borderline precog) 

    Not to mention that spider-man has not only gone toe to toe with the hulk, he's KO'ed him before.  When doc ock took over spider-man's body during the superior spider-man arc he was shocked at how strong spider-man actually is and accidentally took a dudes head off with a light jab and came to the realization that spider-man is constantly holding back his true strength when fighting for fear of accidentally killing them.
    To be fair the local track star in Road Warrior’s community is Usain Bolt. 
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,609 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021
    I maintain the difference between Peter Parker and say....Thor probably is about the same delta as the difference between a southeastern US regional track star and Usain Bolt. But depending on your region, I guess your mileage may vary.

    And in point of fact, I do share a hometown with this local track star who went to the olympics and didn't quite medal: https://www.wfla.com/sports/olympics/tampa-native-erriyon-knighton-to-run-in-mens-olympic-200-meter-track-final/#:~:text=TAMPA, Fla.,Noah Lyles (19.74 seconds).

    But Marvel says Spider-Man is a "super human" level of strength, relative to Thor's "incalculable" strength for whatever that's worth


  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,303 Chairperson of the Boards
    And this is why the number of stars on a character can't correspond to how powerful we think they are.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    MegaBee said:
    And this is why the number of stars on a character can't correspond to how powerful we think they are.
    That's why we have star ratings! 

    5* Spiderman should be better than all 4*, and exactly as good as every other 5*.
  • mdreyer93
    mdreyer93 Posts: 149 Tile Toppler
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Or, consider, Spider-Man is a street level hero with just enough power to be the neighborhood watch. Bringing him to fight Thanos should be like bringing a local track star to the Olympics. He is faster than me and you, but would they even win a medal on the world stage? Maybe spider-man is exactly as good as he should be? (But also buff everyone lol)
    I know you're playing devil's advocate, but with that logic, Okoye needs a massive nerf and GE Doom, Knull, Odin, Ultron, etc need to be much, much better. I know in-game power level doesn't match comic power level, but there are many I'd consider more "street level" than Spidey.

    Going full geek here, but he's definitely at superhuman levels. He can throw a semi-truck, can move faster than the eye can follow,  has rapid healing/regeneration, superhuman agility/reflexes, precognition, indomitable will, genius intellect, is a world-class inventor/engineer, and is the avatar of the mystical spider totem.

    But I'm biased, lol...
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Okoye is the most badazz in the MCU. Thanos should have trembled in fear when she stepped on the battlefield. 
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    mdreyer93 said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Or, consider, Spider-Man is a street level hero with just enough power to be the neighborhood watch. Bringing him to fight Thanos should be like bringing a local track star to the Olympics. He is faster than me and you, but would they even win a medal on the world stage? Maybe spider-man is exactly as good as he should be? (But also buff everyone lol)
    ...Okoye needs a massive nerf...
    Careful, everyone will get very angry with you!
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,609 Chairperson of the Boards
    If they want to right-size the 5* tier I wouldn’t mind tbh, so long as those good good powers don’t just go away and instead end up on more appropriate characters. But thats a titanic undertaking I don’t expect to happen.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,088 Chairperson of the Boards
    Who wants to take a shot at ranking all 60+ 5* characters by their power level in canon. I’ll be sad to see my guy MCU Daredevil at the bottom. Scrolling through I think it’d be super difficult. 
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,609 Chairperson of the Boards
    I’m confident the marvel trading card rankings can help with most of them.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,962 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021

    I think it might be easier grouping them as there are a few who you can argue the toss over at either end as strongest/weakest. By all means feel free to pick the below apart.

    Human/Athlete

    Daredevil, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Gamora, Star-Lord, Shang-Chi, Kingpin, Kilmonger, Yelena Belova, OKOYE!

    Enhanced Human/Super powered/Lower power Mutant

    Wolverine, Black Panther,  Wasp, Yellowjacket, Kitty Pryde, Daken (Wolverine)

    Superhuman/Mutant

    Green Goblin, Doc Octopus (with arms only), Archangel, Gambit, Rescue, Electro, Jessica Jones, Spider-Man, Captain America

    Elite Superhuman/Omega Mutant

    Iron Man, Cable, Storm, Iceman, Magneto, Professor X, Havok, Carnage, Mister Sinister

    God/Cosmic/Planetary threat

    Silver Surfer, Thor, Loki, Sersi, Heimdall, Ronan, The Hulk (Bruce Banner), The Hulk (Immortal), Ghost Rider (Robbie Reyes), Deadpool (Spirit of Veangence only), Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Adam Warlock, Onslaught, Ultron, Scarlet Witch, Black Bolt, Beta Ray Bill, Apocalypse,

    Elite God/Cosmic/Universal threat

    Phoenix (Jean Grey), Cyclops (Phoenix Five), Colossus (Phoenix Five),  Knull, Hela, Odin, Thanos, Doctor Doom (God Emperor)








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