Character Updates - September 2020

Jacklag

I'm a little sad with what happened to Worthy Cap. Creating multiple countdown tiles was his whole shtick. I don't even know how to use him now. Maybe a battery for Gambit? We'll see. Sucks to be the guy who favorited Hawkeye and Coulson just a few days ago.

How does this sellback thing work?

DyingLegend

Not terrible , would have liked to see Gritty get wacked, maybe next time 

SnowcaTT

bluewolf said:

Sooooooo happy!

Oh no.....what will players complain about now?  Polaris isn't even good on defense!

Oh, Support distribution, I guess......maybe that'll be fixed next week.  

Thank you for the attention to balance and the game as a whole.  The last few months have seen lots of improvements.

You're saying I'll be able to get supports?

Bishop nerf long overdue, good to see no 4* will be able to take out huge 5* teams with ease.

Wait, what's that you say?

JackDeath666

Thank you! I hope that I can still remember how to play the game after spending so long just starring at the screen whilst stunned / watching countdown tiles resolve. 

winter37

Me reading about Bishop finally being rebalanced:



In all seriousness, thanks for not just addressing the overly powerful;, but looking at chars who need a bump

KGB

This might even get me to dip my toe in 5* land now that I won't be facing a wall of Bishops. I'll decide that once everyone sees how things shake out without him and Worthy Cap.

KGB

whitecat31

The Bishop "update" needed to happen a long time ago.   It is nice to see him useless..
The Cap  Worthy nerf is a little different and actually saddening.   Cap was only effective at lower levels, because of how high the damage threshold was for him. This made him easy to kill.  If you level him up higher,  this passive was less effective. Cap also only worked "amazing" with certain characters.  In particular 5 star Hawkeye. I see this more as a Hawkeye nerf.. Hawkeye will now be less useful now.
The Thing upgrade I like but it bothers me, because how often we see the Thing in PVE.
The other 4 stars will be more useful, so good. 

So now that the Bishop nerf is finally done, how about lifting 5 star Wasp out of the bottom tier, she has all to herself, and making her at least as good as 4 star Wasp? 

y4747

ding dong, the bish is dead!
speaking as a 5* player:

bishop nerf: it's about time. i hated myself for always using him in pvp but he was just too good. don't care that he'll be thrown into the big pile of obscurity in the middle of the 4* pack, totally worth it. thanks!

worthy nerf: he wasn't as bad as bishop, as others have said, but totally get the nerf. i'm ok with the changes, though i think there could have been a happier middle (4->2 CDs instead of 1, maybe 2 turns), where him and 5HE could be good on offense without being OP on defense.

jubilee, thing, cho: err.... ok. they were fine. now they're... slightly more fine?

AA - a good change, though the lack of an airborn meta in 5land means he still won't be used except on hard pve nodes/pvp with vulture.

i'll second daredevil by asking for similar changes to other, older 5s. some of them have great kits but just can't withstand current numbers. my lvl 452 apoc has 80% more health than my lvl 488 strange. to emphasize the point, you nerfed two characters here known as the stun brothers, and yet still no-one ever used surfer despite his immunity. goblin and phoenix stand out to me - awesome kits but old numbers. these should be easy to implement.

long-term, there are a couple that need an overhaul (wasp, banner, kp).

good work on bishop though. will be happy to see him gone from my q (... to be replaced by hulkoye ;P)

Anon

Wow... they actually did it...

JHawkInc

I like the changes.

I like seeing a bundle of them at once. That kinda balances out the news a little for people who aren't excited about any one change.

I like just having a little bit of explanation written into it all, instead of a clinical "opinion-free" chart of before and after. (I think I might like this part more than the fact that there are changes to begin with)

Also, a month before Anniversary? All things considered this has been a pretty fantastic year (weren't rebalances on the bottom of the list when things were getting shifted from the office to work-from-home earlier this year?), looking forward to ringing in the next one for MPQ!

MirrorKnight

I think the nerfs to Cap and Bishop were too heavy handed. The characters didn't need complete reworks, minor changes could have done the trick.

For Cap, just increasing the trigger range on the passive (he doesn't have the biggest health pool as it is) and maybe reduce the number of countdowns from 4 to 3 (at lvl 5, maybe each countdown converts 2 tiles).

For Bishop you could have reduced the Blue generated by 1, and maybe increasing the trigger threshhold on the red.

As it is, you have fundamentally removed the very mechanics people champed these characters for.

Nobody used Cap for his charge mechanics. Passive countdown generation was THE reason to use him.

Bishop will still generate blue, but less consistently, and his previously good stun is now a weak stun with weak damage.

I favorited both of these characters through 13 covers over the course of weeks to be able to use them. 

I would never have favorited either of them in these currently proposed versions.

I appreciate that you're trying to keep your 5* players happy, but as a 4* player, I think you went too far.

killahKlown

fmftint said:

Not that anyone cares but too long to bring me back, my MPQ days are long past

But you still lurk on the message boards for a game you don't play? 

Anon

D3 doesn't do slight nerfs. If they nerf, they murder the character.

CNash

Totally Awesome Hulk was a great green battery during the Galactus event (helping Iron Fist out massively), and now he’s an even better one. Thanks!

fmftint

killahKlown said:

fmftint said:

Not that anyone cares but too long to bring me back, my MPQ days are long past

But you still lurk on the message boards for a game you don't play? 

I check the forum from time to time,  yes, never know if something may catch my attention

DyingLegend

My question is, with worthy cap, does he negate the damage of a 4 match ability as well, such as prof x or onslaught?

IceIX

DyingLegend said:

My question is, with worthy cap, does he negate the damage of a 4 match ability as well, such as prof x or onslaught?

I can't say with 110% surety since ya know, not released yet, but the current plan is that yes, he'll block the full damage from that attack.

Joe4521

I dont like nerfs. It seems the better solution is building new characters to counter the abilities. The Worthy stunlock team was something I often used to grind out the challenge nodes, and I hate to see that option taken away.

Dormammu

It's really nice to see some re-balances occurring in MPQ. Any game with a competitive aspect like this one should strive for some sort of overall continual balancing. Sure, there can (and must) be better characters than others at their respective tiers, but no character should suffer the fate of power-creep leaving them completely behind or have mechanics that render them broken/overpowered (see: Gambit, Bishop).

It is my hope that the developers take a look at some more changes, specifically to older classic 5-stars. Some very simple adjustments like health and match damage buffs would go a LONG way in building good will among the player base.

Borstock

I was never against Bishop. I'm still not, but at least people on here will stop whining about him. We can also see some new teams in PvP, maybe, possibly.

The Worthy nerf is absurd. He's only even useful against the CN as part of a team. Hate this change.

I don't see any of the buffs as game-changing, but all those characters needed one, so can't be a bad thing.