Grand Experiment 2: Treading Water in the SCL 10 Post-Shardpocalypse

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  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Landed another red for my hulk right after this post. Will he die like Havok at 10 covers? Time will tell.
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    iHulk is now 5/3/3, with most of a shard cover on deck. Will I get one more organic, and will he get featured once more? We shall see..
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Got the last 4 Valkyrie covers I needed from PVP, so Thor is 5/0/2. I’m all in on Hawkeye’s tree now.
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Got a purple Yelena today, 2/2/1 on that one. Still 0/0/0 on Apocalypse.
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yellow Apocoalypse on the vine now, but I burned all my hp chasing those Valkyrie covers in PVP and won't be able to roster him for awhile. I did max-champ my second bagman, I guess I could free that spot up for him, but i'll probably just sit tight till i get the hp

  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    I was able to roster Apocalypse, and pulled another yellow for him. I have a shard cover on the vine from this past story that I'm going to sit on until he leaves latest, that way I can try and fill in any potential gaps in the coverage. Current crop:

    iHulk: 5/3/3
    Yelena: 2/2/1
    Apocalypse: 0/0/2 (505 shards)

    Onslaught: 0/0/0 (380 shards)

    Current crop of favorites:
    Hawkeye: 3/5/3 (305 shards)
    Kate  Bishop: lvl 299 (81 shards)
    Hawk3y3: lvl 259 (204 shards)
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Got a red for Apocalypse right after posting that.
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Got an organic Frost pull from the crash token yesterday, putting her at 300. Kitty is now 3/3/0. I've been riding my new 5/0/2 Thor/Okoye/Profe$$or team up through Simulator, and having a much better time of it this season as well. 
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Apocalypse hot streak - 1/2/2 with shards on deck.

    got a 300th kate bishop, s0 hawkeye is 4/5/3
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Been on an ultra hot hot streak, and managed to get the last Hulk I needed for a 5/4/4 distribution. I'll be sitting tight until he leaves latest at least, which is probably only going to be good for 1-3 pulls, but still. Current crop of latest:

    iHulk: 5/4/4 (165 shards with more left in the current story)
    Yelena: 2/3/1 (455 shards)
    Apocalypse: 3/2/2 (705/500 shards, holding out until he leaves to burn those)

    Onslaught: 0/0/0 (380 shards)

    Current Favorite Hero progress:
    Hawkeye: 4/5/3 (133 shards)
    Kate Bishop: lvl 301 (45 shards)
    Hawk3y3: 0/0/1 (59 shards, just flipped him today)

  • Daredevil217Daredevil217 Posts: 2,834 Chairperson of the Boards
    Congrats on Hulk. Super big fan of his, so I’m interested in your thoughts on him. 

    Why do you have 5* Hawkeye and his feeders targeted if you only need one cover? Wouldn’t it make sense to either target Kate/Hawkguy for 19 covers or target 5* Barton until you hit 500 shards? I had the Rescue feeder chain all targeted, but once you get down to the last cover it makes sense to move one of the targets (either the 5 or the 3/4) to whoever is next in the queue. So I’m continuing to pursue Rescue as my 5* target but switched the 3/4 over to Black Widow just in case they think about reworking her with the big movie coming out. She’s my next project. 
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah, that's a good point, I'm glad you brought it up. The metrics are pretty murky for me right now on how often I'm getting 4* shard-targets. Pre- SCL10 when shards only came from Legendary pulls, you were unequivocally correct. Now though, with Mighty Tokens and SCL10 in play, I'm not entirely certain it remains like that. So in the past, it was

    4* cover for every ~27 pulls
    5* cover for every ~167 pulls
    Depending on where you are in the build on that 4*, that's anywhere from 270->540 pulls to get to the next 5* cover. But now that shards are dropping all over the place in SCL10, it isn't taking anything like that long. Also bonus shards are very unpredictable. Additionally, the way they broke up the shards means that I will get 100 shards at 315. So my rationale is that focusing fire will get me the cover a little sooner, and I'll be on my way. But it's also still possible that direct-sharding a single 5* is still better - i'm going to have to calculate my pulls/day and 4* growth/day again, see how it stacks up.

    As for iHulk, He isn't actually bought up yet on iso, but even now, he is a nightmare with Okoye, and he is a perfect scarecrow in this current PVP behind Bishop. I've not had any defensive notifications of any kind since i left him out, and my bishop is just a 280-ish build and hulk is clearly unchamped in the low 300s. This just tells me that team is massively skippable. In PVE, it's hard to really evaluate since he's boosted, but he seems to be the perfect 5* version of Juggernaut to truck through the hard nodes with Okoye. I've been running Profe$$or X in the middle on pick-3, since Hulk cascades as often as not. I'll re-evaluate once he's champed.

    So speaking next-in-queue, IS kitty going from 3/3/0 to champ worth it over say Danver5, who is much nearer to champ (5/2/3) and can hide out from iHulk? or maybe Hela (5/2/4) to punish them for stealing my green? Loki is 4/4/2, OML is 4/1/4, DD5 is 5/2/1, and Phoenix is 3/2/1. I'm just thinking that the long road to champ Kitty won't be worth it in the end. I'll have to go back through the rankings and see how it feels. Current 5* champs are:
    X
    Sinister
    BRB
    5torm
    Iceman
    Robbie
    Doom
    Rescue
    JJ
    Okoye
    Carbage
    Fi5k
    iHulk (waiting on iso)
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 25 June 2020, 23:10
    So i'm still averaging ~2.41 latest pulls/day over the last 70 days (the last time i thought to enter a date in my tracker sheet). That means i'm earning 7.23 5* shards directly from Latest Legends pulls/day on average (not factoring in bonus shards or progression shards). So finishing Hawkeye directly right now is 50 days of direct sharding. 

    Since moving my 4* shard target over to Kate Bishop, my Kate Bishop Cover Per DAy number is just under half a cover per day it seems. She was 295 when I started 14 days ago, and she's at 301 now. I don't know if she was featuered in an event or something, that seems like an awfully high rate. But projecting that forward, 19 more covers for her should take me 41 days. So slightly faster to go this route it seems. 

    BUT. If we factor in that I'll get 100 shards of Hawkeye at Kate Bishop lvl 315, that means I can direct-shard Hawkeye up to 400 instead of 500 if I focus fire on him. It saves me...21 days? Is that math right? 
  • OJSPOJSP Posts: 840 Critical Contributor
    edited 26 June 2020, 08:36
    I think who to get next is a bit tricky to answer. With the current power creep, eventually Kitty’s powers get overtaken by faster and stronger characters. At the moment with most 5* players, she still has a place because she works quite well for early transitioners with multiple 4*s and for 5* players with more options she works well with BRB and a few others. I still use them for clearing some tricky PvE nodes.

    What you need to answer for yourself is “what do you want to get out of these characters?”

    I think Carol is not bad to pair with iHulk, but they’re a bit slow. It depends on what situation we use them, you’re much better going with Okoye instead of Carol in most situations. If we’re thinking of getting her airborne and sacrificing iHulk, we’ll soon run out of yellow matches. Vulture or Karolina are better for that purpose because they could self accelerate their airborne powers.

    Hela is good for wave nodes, but her green passive is not particularly reliable against green producing goons. They’ll still manage to use their powers if there are more than one of them and the damage is not particularly great in higher SCLs, even with her strike tiles.

    Loki can be strong, but I find teams with him are slower than others. It really depends on who else is in the team. He’s actually quite good with Hawkeye and WorthyCap.

    OML, DD and Phoenix are all true healers with niche powers, so they have their uses. The most useful would be DD because he could steal special tiles. 
    Personally, I’d go for Kitty and DD (not even necessarily in that order, depending on the feeders).
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    I was more feeling like Hulk is going to be my new meta, so who makes a good third, or alternate for Okoye as a second. So that last block of characters were either the revivers or true healers I had with decent coverage, or as in the case of Danver5 who can go airborne here and there to avoid the hit. 

    Here is the shape of my 5* roster now minus current champs with associated feeders:
    CHaracter:                                 - Feeder lvl:
    Hawkeye: 4/5/3                                 301   
    Lumbercap: 3/4/4                             301
    Loki: 4/4/2                                          301
    Star-Lord: 5/1/3                                 285
    Thano5: 5/2/2                                    310
    Thor: 5/0/2                                         320
    DD5: 5/2/1                                          313
    Kitty: 3/3/0                                          301
    BB: 4/2/1                                             314
    5trange: 4/2/1                                    309
    OML: 4/1/4                                         297
    Gambit: 2/4/3                                     311
    FA Cap: 5/0/1                                      297
    SS: 2/2/3                                             300
    Jean Grey: 3/2/1                                291
    BAnner: 1/3/2                                     293
    Archangel: 2/2/2                               302
    Panther: 2/1/2                                    297
    BSSM: 4/2/0                                       288
    Nata5ha: 4/0/1                                   300
    SMPP: 1/1/3                                       307
    Doc Oc: 2/0/2                                     296
    Cable: 3/4/5                                        300
    Hela: 5/2/4                                         286
    Danver5: 5/2/3                                  309
    Havok: 5/2/3                                     N/F
    Apocalypse: 3/2/2                           N/F
    Green Goblin: 2/2/2                         302
    Wa5p: 3/2/2                                     305
    Iron Man: 3/2/1                                290
    Yelena: 2/3/1                                    N/F



  • Daredevil217Daredevil217 Posts: 2,834 Chairperson of the Boards
    I was more feeling like Hulk is going to be my new meta, so who makes a good third, or alternate for Okoye as a second. So that last block of characters were either the revivers or true healers I had with decent coverage, or as in the case of Danver5 who can go airborne here and there to avoid the hit. 

    Here is the shape of my 5* roster now minus current champs with associated feeders:
    CHaracter:                                 - Feeder lvl:
    Hawkeye: 4/5/3                                 301   
    Lumbercap: 3/4/4                             301
    Loki: 4/4/2                                          301
    Star-Lord: 5/1/3                                 285
    Thano5: 5/2/2                                    310
    Thor: 5/0/2                                         320
    DD5: 5/2/1                                          313
    Kitty: 3/3/0                                          301
    BB: 4/2/1                                             314
    5trange: 4/2/1                                    309
    OML: 4/1/4                                         297
    Gambit: 2/4/3                                     311
    FA Cap: 5/0/1                                      297
    SS: 2/2/3                                             300
    Jean Grey: 3/2/1                                291
    BAnner: 1/3/2                                     293
    Archangel: 2/2/2                               302
    Panther: 2/1/2                                    297
    BSSM: 4/2/0                                       288
    Nata5ha: 4/0/1                                   300
    SMPP: 1/1/3                                       307
    Doc Oc: 2/0/2                                     296
    Cable: 3/4/5                                        300
    Hela: 5/2/4                                         286
    Danver5: 5/2/3                                  309
    Havok: 5/2/3                                     N/F
    Apocalypse: 3/2/2                           N/F
    Green Goblin: 2/2/2                         302
    Wa5p: 3/2/2                                     305
    Iron Man: 3/2/1                                290
    Yelena: 2/3/1                                    N/F



    If you’re just talking to pair with Hulk, Daredevil is my favorite non-Okoye partner. Reason is he can tank yellow/purple a couple turns and heal (plus place strikes) before you go back to matching Hulk’s colors. 
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    I've long wanted a better DD5, so that's pretty interesting. I guess I'm pretty open to the "correct" choice for who should be next really. I'm still torn between chasing characters that are 1-2 covers away just to finish them vs chasing "important" characters like Kitty. It's just that Kitty is SO far back on covers that it's going to be a really long road. Which I guess is fine - as a force multiplier I think she's going to stay relevant barring a nerf for quite some time.
  • OJSPOJSP Posts: 840 Critical Contributor
    Daredevil is quite a good third, although it somewhat depends on who’s tanking what colours in our team for sustained play. I have a feeling at around equal levels, iHulk will end up tanking too many colours. Especially after one or two revives. If I use them together, Okoye tanks black, yellow and TU, DD tanks purple, and iHulk tanks green, red and blue. The good thing is, we won’t need too many turns for most matches. The bad thing is, they’re not as reliable as having iHulk and Vulture for long matches.

    I like ProfX best so far as the 3rd 5*. He helps to make more green tiles while hitting with AoE and he could heal with yellow while making more yellow tiles for Okoye.
  • atomzedatomzed Posts: 1,534 Chairperson of the Boards
    I also like ProfX the best with Hulk-Oko. 
    - he ranks blue and purple. 
    - his purple can be used to generate green for AOE (buff by Oko passive) or for healing (which can keep hulk alive for several turns).
    - PX passive are likely to trigger with hulk generating green on the board. 
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 4,432 Chairperson of the Boards
    that's my standard hulk pvp team right there on pick-3 nodes. I will say that Bishop-Hulkoye is the new meta i'm seeing in PVP.

    Popped my 7-8 Latest draws today, pulled a yelena, apocalypse, and an Onslaught. Current latest crop:
    Yelena: 3/3/1 (455 shards)
    Apocalypse: 3/2/3 (705 shards)
    Onslaught: 1/0/0 (380 shards)
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