Your thoughts on the *now* 90 second timer.

Brakkis

Well, the timer was extended from 18 seconds to 90. Seems less awful but still an awful hamfisted approach to a minor problem that should have been fixed in a much better way.

OmegaLolrus

There's a better solution.

I'd also like to vote cat gifs incoming.

It's still not a great solution, but 90 is much better than 18.

KageTora

Nope. No timer.

As I said in another topic, I'm against any kind of turn timer. If it limits deck building and creativity in an inane way, I'm all against it. If you think there are cards that are unhealthy for the game and that enable too strong of combinations /loops (BSZ, I'm looking at you), do deal with them by all means. But not a game warping, core changing timer. 

Brakkis

There's a better solution.

The actual solution to the entire problem was nerfing (or rather, correcting) the individual cards responsible for the problems.

• Blue Sun's Zenith should not have given mana.
• STV should not convert gems but instead only give mana equal to X where is X is the number of treasures and treasure reinforcements you control.
• Prism Array needs to be hit with the nerf bat
• Startled Awake should never have given mana. 
• Olivia should only trigger on non-token creatures.
• Zendikar Resurgent should only trigger on non token creatures.
• Part the Waterveil should have been a spell with Awaken 6 and an extra turn with no mana gain.
• Drowner of Hope should have never had its disable effect.

You'll notice the majority of the offenders are blue. In addition, bounce should never destroy creatures. Ever. If the hand is full, the creature should be returned to the top of the player's library.

wereotter

Cat gifs incoming

Also.... I'll go ahead and say that I'll be annoyed if the outrage of a few has delayed playable content for all.

OmegaLolrus

There's a better solution.

wereotter said:

Also.... I'll go ahead and say that I'll be annoyed if the outrage of a few has delayed playable content for all.

Well, that delivered.

Mark_Tedin

Nope. No timer.

1- We have quick missions to complete (win in 4-6 turns).

2- We have to face big bosses with 500 HP.

3- We have several daily events to fulfill and we need good decks to try to win faster. YES, we have other things to do besides playing MTGPQ

So we do not need a turn timer or our top cards NERFED ! This is a huge ignorance and a disrespect with the players.

A great solution would be to apply the turn timer only to greg (AI). This would eliminate the problem of infinite loops without harming the player base and the competitive environment.

FindingHeart8

Nope. No timer.

An improvement but should only be limited to Greg.  Like said above, we already have Boss planeswalkers with 500+hp and "I win the game" abilities.

Game strategy should not be stifled.

I have no motivation to buy anything ever if huge nerfs like this exist on the table.

Laeuftbeidir

There's a better solution.

Nerfing Greg? No thanks, poor guy still recovering from his lobotomy.

I'm all in on swinging the nerf bat hard on blue. Also, sunbird shouldn't fill stored mana.

Alanako

There's a better solution.

90 seconds are enough to cast sunbird/bsz with 4 extra swap and use them to get another swap and fill and cast 2 more sunbirds and the bsz that remain from the first one

Alanako

There's a better solution.

I'm sure they are not enough to create the token with 5000+ power that I got once with the trostani/March combo deck, but that was only to have a laugh and see how much high it could be

Theros

Nope. No timer.

I just miss my objectives for the first time in RT for cast 3+ creatures with power 6 or more and power 3 or less. The stupid timer would not let me cast my creatures on hand because the timer ended. When the loops prematurely ends, the game ends when i attack. I came up short of casting a total of 6 creatures on 3 nodes already.

Why not apply the timer to greg?
I hate when I have no control on when to end my game due to timer.
In the example above, 90 was insufficient and my game ended prematurely making me miss secondary objectives.

The game is stupidly grindy as it is. Now it would take me more than 4 games to finish RT with this particular objectives. I don't have time for this.
We know how  to put stop gap cards in our decks to control  loops, we don't need a timer on our end. Greg needs a timer.
I had 3 extra swaps and 5 cards in hand. None of them was cast after the timer. Is this a bug or intended? 
came to think of it, my loopy skaab goliath /squee deck would also come up short in lose x or more creatures due to that 90 timer.

FindingHeart8

Nope. No timer.

Laeuftbeidir said:

Nerfing Greg? No thanks, poor guy still recovering from his lobotomy.

I'm all in on swinging the nerf bat hard on blue. Also, sunbird shouldn't fill stored mana.

Like I said in the other thread, I'm thinking unfun Greg matches like Azors Gateway.  That Greg needs a nerf, in one match he was able to kill every creature I summoned and hit me for over 20,000 damage (thank you Lichs Mastery for saving my wombat tinykitty).  Summoning at least 2 creatures every turn, it still took over 30 minutes to kill him.   That's not fun, that's a chore.

Froggy

There's a better solution.

I posted this in another thread and only saw this poll right after. I was going to vote to do away with it, but I thought I'd try going with constructive input instead.

Several things to know about this needless feature.

It benefits the AI more than it does the players. For example, I cast Vivien's Invocation. I get the "cast prompt" message. When this appears, the timer PAUSES, the moment you tap yes or no, it resumes right from where it left off. There's no resetting of the timer or anything. Clearly this is counter-productive, as the whole point of a "Loop Prevention system" is to prevent:

ENDLESS LOOPS!

If the AI is going to kick off a loop deck that I often run, it has occasional spell prompts, etc. So therefore it is NOT endless. The AI might run it endlessly as it is not programmed to make decisions of this nature. But that also means if it were played against me and the loop kicked off, I most certainly will have lost that game anyways. So it's a matter of the player quitting the game.

So essentially, this "system" is something that was implemented to the disadvantage of the players. In the case of a loop happening like we were seeing with Murder Investigation/Ajani's Last Stand alongside Divine Visitation, that's fine. But here's another view on that - I ran that combo using Poison-Tip Archer and would win games running that loop alone (can't use it any longer since they changed DV, but I'm just pointing out that possibility). Of course if I played the cards in the wrong sequence it would backfire on me and I would end up in an endless loop. But the deck was built a certain way for my advantage over the AI and to win the game. Isn't that what Magic is all about after all? Using skill and imagination to properly read cards and build strategic decks to best your opponent? That is the one thing that draws me to Magic. Anyways, back to the subject matter here.

There needs to be more "rules" or "conditions" to this system if the devs insist on keeping it (frankly it should go to the scrap heap). Rules such as:

The following board and game requirements must be in place for the timer to begin or continue:
- If no damage is dealt to the either player, AND
- If no prompt messages are showing up (as that shows decisions are required, AND
- If at any point during the turn, the above two conditions are not present or are interrupted, the timer RESETS.

The timer MUST reset as it simply means this is not an ENDLESS LOOP deck. Therefore the timer has no validity and it will not serve its purpose.

I may have missed something here, but I think something simple along these lines would work. Something that actually made sense and would not end up penalizing the players.

nerdstrap

Nope. No timer.

@Brakkis

wow - I never looked up Startled Awake paper version - designed before we had graveyard access but wow what a change

Mburn7

I'm hesitant but willing to give it a try

I agree there is a better way but I'm willing to see how this timer thing goes for now.  90 sec should be plenty of time for most of my decks, and I don't run into loops so often (since I rarely have time for ToTP), so it probably won't be much of an issue.  18s was a whole other thing, though.

DragonSorcerer

There's a better solution.

killed my run when using Harness the Storm. Nothing would cast after that (had cards with full mana and extra swaps) until my turn ended.

Theros

Nope. No timer.

DragonSorcerer said:

killed my run when using Harness the Storm. Nothing would cast after that (had cards with full mana and extra swaps) until my turn ended.

Same thing happened to me in RT. I had 5 cards full of mana and 3 extra swaps. I missed my secondary objectives because of that. 90 secs is still not enough. The timer does nothing but punish the user and kills creativity.
Let greg have the timer

DragonSorcerer

There's a better solution.

make it user configurable on the settings screen. 90 - 999 (or 9999) seconds

Mburn7

I'm hesitant but willing to give it a try

DragonSorcerer said:

make it user configurable on the settings screen. 90 - 999 (or 9999) seconds

You can't have people running and facing decks with variable turn timing.  It gives an unfair advantage to anyone using it.  That means one player facing a loop deck gets a chance to win when the turn force-ends, and another player facing the same deck loses because they turned the timer off.  You may as well just not have a timer at all then (which I guess is your point)

Narcoticsagent

This is the icing on an already bad cake (3.2's level system)

Got my first game loss thanks to the LPS today. Took a long time to find imminent doom and I timed out with only 6 shields on it. I did get to finish my 17 extra swaps though not that it mattered since I had max loyalty max mana on cards and no supports to try and match away. 17 extra opportunities to contemplate how much the feature sucks. Greg comboed out and killed me next turn knocking me out of top 5 prizes. Feels bad.