Gambit Character Update Details (6/26/18)

Daiches

Brigby said:

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone. I've compiled it all together, and passed it along to the team for evaluation.

LifeofAgony said:

Bowgentle said:

thedarkphoenix said:

So a champed 450 gambit sold will net how many tokens?

13.

How do you know?  They have not made an official announcement on compensation unless I’m missing it.  So you should clarify that you’re speculating based on past precedent.

The tokens received from selling your Gambit (Classic) is the same process as the previous Gambit rework. It is based on Gambit's character level, including Champion levels.

The last time we got that deal for a buff though. Now it's a nerf. A quite severe one too. So ..

Gold_Dragon

Seriously dude? He literally just told you the answer to the question. And you’re STILL gonna question it? 

Daredevil217

Anyone know how much for an unleved Gambit? Mine was broken down by customer service and I think I’d get more if I roster each cover as a separate character, no?

Rockwell75

Bowgentle said:

thedarkphoenix said:

So a champed 450 gambit sold will net how many tokens?

13.

So if I champ him right before the nerf I can trade him for 13 5* tokens? 

Bowgentle

Rockwell75 said:

Bowgentle said:

thedarkphoenix said:

So a champed 450 gambit sold will net how many tokens?

13.

So if I champ him right before the nerf I can trade him for 13 5* tokens? 

As per Brigby above, yes.

JHawkInc

Brigby said:

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone. I've compiled it all together, and passed it along to the team for evaluation.

LifeofAgony said:

Bowgentle said:

thedarkphoenix said:

So a champed 450 gambit sold will net how many tokens?

13.

How do you know?  They have not made an official announcement on compensation unless I’m missing it.  So you should clarify that you’re speculating based on past precedent.

The tokens received from selling your Gambit (Classic) is the same process as the previous Gambit rework. It is based on Gambit's character level, including Champion levels.

Neat! Now what was the process for the Gambit rework?

We need like, a formula or something. Telling us what the token number is based on isn't enough for us to figure out what our own total would be. It's like having a cake recipe that starts with "Ingredients: Things that go in cake." While technically correct, it isn't *useful*.

(I mean, we can make an educated guess based on forum posts here, but having an official clarification just in case the forum users are wrong would be nice)

LifeofAgony

JHawkInc said:

Brigby said:

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone. I've compiled it all together, and passed it along to the team for evaluation.

LifeofAgony said:

Bowgentle said:

thedarkphoenix said:

So a champed 450 gambit sold will net how many tokens?

13.

How do you know?  They have not made an official announcement on compensation unless I’m missing it.  So you should clarify that you’re speculating based on past precedent.

The tokens received from selling your Gambit (Classic) is the same process as the previous Gambit rework. It is based on Gambit's character level, including Champion levels.

Neat! Now what was the process for the Gambit rework?

We need like, a formula or something. Telling us what the token number is based on isn't enough for us to figure out what our own total would be. It's like having a cake recipe that starts with "Ingredients: Things that go in cake." While technically correct, it isn't *useful*.

(I mean, we can make an educated guess based on forum posts here, but having an official clarification just in case the forum users are wrong would be nice)

Exactly.  Can we get some specifics please?  I have no idea where on the forum the gambit buff sell rates are and would prefer just to have it spelt out as to avoid any confusion.

MoosePrime

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/757767/#Comment_757767

Here's the details from last time.

killercool

MoosePrime said:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/757767/#Comment_757767

Here's the details from last time.

Thanks MoosePrime.  It would have been much easier if they had published this with the announcement.  It feels like a strange oversight that the concept seemed to be that we should all remember such a detail that they published last year.  Particularly when there are not many people that would want to sell back a character after they buffed it (or is that reverse nerfed it?), so they would not have paid attention to the sell back details.

Anyways, looks like a good deal.  One more month of using Gambit for me before I sell him and accept that twice a year I miss the 5* essential node in pve.

Treras

So it's realy worth to sell a 5*? Random covers means a few duds. Worse case lots of duds. I am more inclined to keep him.

huktonfonix

@Brigby

With the introduction of 5* essentials, selling off 5* characters completely is no longer viable for high level players. You could remove all his abilities entirely and we'd still need at least a 450 Gambit just for his PVE essential.  As such, the more someone has invested in Gambit, the less realistic it is that they can take advantage of compensation for the nerf.

Please consider allowing players with a championed Gambit to sell off champion levels instead of selling the whole character.  This would allow players to recoup some of their investment, rather than punishing players for wisely devoting resources toward the strongest character in the game.

beyonderbub

Looking at 36 new 5* covers if I sell off Gambit....decisions...decisions

LifeofAgony

huktonfonix said:

@Brigby

With the introduction of 5* essentials, selling off 5* characters completely is no longer viable for high level players. You could remove all his abilities entirely and we'd still need at least a 450 Gambit just for his PVE essential.  As such, the more someone has invested in Gambit, the less realistic it is that they can take advantage of compensation for the nerf.

Please consider allowing players with a championed Gambit to sell off champion levels instead of selling the whole character.  This would allow players to recoup some of their investment, rather than punishing players for wisely devoting resources toward the strongest character in the game.

We’re lucky enough to be getting 1:1 sell back.  OML nerf didn’t yield an even sell off.  There’s 0 chance they’ll offer this, nor should they.  You already have him on your roster as a pve essential.  Now you want more? 

I have 0 empathy for people who chased gambit hard and suddenly expect d3 will bend over backwards to accommodate.  Keep him or take the 1:1 compensation.  Those are the options, and neither are unreasonable.

Daiches

LifeofAgony said:

huktonfonix said:

@Brigby

With the introduction of 5* essentials, selling off 5* characters completely is no longer viable for high level players. You could remove all his abilities entirely and we'd still need at least a 450 Gambit just for his PVE essential.  As such, the more someone has invested in Gambit, the less realistic it is that they can take advantage of compensation for the nerf.

Please consider allowing players with a championed Gambit to sell off champion levels instead of selling the whole character.  This would allow players to recoup some of their investment, rather than punishing players for wisely devoting resources toward the strongest character in the game.

We’re lucky enough to be getting 1:1 sell back.  OML nerf didn’t yield an even sell off.  There’s 0 chance they’ll offer this, nor should they.  You already have him on your roster as a pve essential.  Now you want more? 

I have 0 empathy for people who chased gambit hard and suddenly expect d3 will bend over backwards to accommodate.  Keep him or take the 1:1 compensation.  Those are the options, and neither are unreasonable.

The chase, including spending, was made based on a certain build. That they then improved upon, so there would be an even harder chase for a certain Day. You don't have to be empathetic, but you do have to understand people are very upset about this.

The compensation offered, while better than the OML comp, is still very bad. Selling a 450 Gambit will net you half your ISO back and 13 covers spread out over 26 characters, including some absolute stinkers. That one level on half your characters may be a dupe cover  (worth 1/3 of a cover), an early cover that brings it still nowhere to championing, or a Champ level. None of these options is even remotely close to the value of champed 5.

And considering they are now giving away newly released Characters (which is sweet btw), so that people can freely skip bad 5s to continue their hoard, those few covers offered look even worse.

Daredevil217

Are people asking for better compensation, or to sell off levels, or for an exchange for 5* covers of their choosing willing to give up all the rewards they received dominating with their Gambits while others not blessed by the RNG gods got nothing?

Daiches

@mods @Ducky @Brigby
any reason this thread is permanently buried on page three after unstickying? It doesn't move to first page after a new comment.

fmftint

Daiches said:

@mods @Ducky @Brigby
any reason this thread is permanently buried on page three after unstickying? It doesn't move to first page after a new comment.

Because it's  in the CHARACTER forum where it belongs

Brigby

Daiches said:

mods Ducky Brigby
any reason this thread is permanently buried on page three after unstickying? It doesn't move to first page after a new comment.

A redirect link for any discussion thread will not be bumped up, if there is a new comment while it's un-Announced. The discussion thread itself however will be bumped up to the first page of the sub-forum it resides in. 

As fmftint mentions above, this discussion thread technically lives in the Character sub-forum, and that is where you can see it constantly update whenever a new comment is added.

Player1575

@Brigby any chances on removing the teammate power restriction on Gambit's black before this goes live? It's overkill to keep that on there when he doesn't generate AP at near the same level he used to. As mentioned previously, Iron Man 40 and Vulture can both generate more AP than him in the same time frame, and much more easily in the case of Vulture.

Brigby

Player1575 said:

Brigby any chances on removing the teammate power restriction on Gambit's black before this goes live? It's overkill to keep that on there when he doesn't generate AP at near the same level he used to. As mentioned previously, Iron Man 40 and Vulture can both generate more AP than him in the same time frame, and much more easily in the case of Vulture.

They're still evaluating his design, but rest assured that suggestion is an idea we've brought up to the development team for their consideration.