Captain America (Infinity War) (4/18/18)

mega ghost

I don't care that it's yet another Cap and the second Cap in the 5* tier, he looks great and has unique mechanics. I'm excited to see the character art. I'm expecting the beard.

@Brigby One point of clarification on the Covert Ops Legendary Token:

• 15% chance to get Captain America (Infinity War), Hawkeye (Clint Barton), Black Widow (Natasha Romanoff)

Is that a 15% chance for each of them (i.e. 45% chance you'll pull one of those three) or a 15% chance for all of them (i.e. 5% chance for each)? I might be mistaken, but I recall previous special LTs offering a 10% chance on the new character, so this is either a step down or a step up. EDIT: I just did a search on the forum, both the Gambit Mes Amis tokens and the Jessica Jones Alias tokens offered a 15% rate. I just cannot for the life of me recall if that was per character.

Arix90

mega ghost said:

I don't care that it's yet another Cap and the second Cap in the 5* tier, he looks great and has unique mechanics. I'm excited to see the character art. I'm expecting the beard.

@Brigby One point of clarification on the Covert Ops Legendary Token:

• 15% chance to get Captain America (Infinity War), Hawkeye (Clint Barton), Black Widow (Natasha Romanoff)

Is that a 15% chance for each of them (i.e. 45% chance you'll pull one of those three) or a 15% chance for all of them (i.e. 5% chance for each)? I might be mistaken, but I recall previous special LTs offering a 10% chance on the new character, so this is either a step down or a step up. EDIT: I just did a search on the forum, both the Gambit Mes Amis tokens and the Jessica Jones Alias tokens offered a 15% rate. I just cannot for the life of me recall if that was per character.

Theyd never do a 45% chance of a 5*  its 5% each as with recent events

babinro

Thoughts on Infinity War Cap (Capfinity?):

Red: Very good base damage for the cost and an interesting dynamic of making you want to fire it against a full team or a solo person and not a two man team.   Coup De Grace version is clearly a great finisher.

Purple: Very interesting power and a tough one to judge honestly.  I consider this a superior Thanos purple as its just a more useful way to try and shut down most characters.   A cool skill but not sure its needed in terms of competitive PvE or PvE play.

Yellow: A fantastic skill thematically and I love that this is part of the game.  Its completely worthless though.  Can't rely on 15yellow AP or a character dying.  If the colours didn't overlap this could have had potential with Thor as a nice way to keep him above 50% health while generating AP each turn but as a duo that doesn't seem strong enough on paper.

Overall Prediction:  Low Tier character.
Thematically I love this character.
I just don't think think he has a place in the current meta.   As a Red/Purple focused character this guy completely fails to compete with Gambit.  I can't picture any Gambit complimentary pair that would be improved by replacing Gambit with Cap.   In nodes that allow for 3 characters I don't see Cap having a place either, we have better damage/support hybrid characters to choose from. 

I'll want to Champion Cap so he's useful when he's boosted in PvE...but aside from those situation I doubt he'll see any real play.

Brigby

mega ghost said:

I don't care that it's yet another Cap and the second Cap in the 5* tier, he looks great and has unique mechanics. I'm excited to see the character art. I'm expecting the beard.

Brigby One point of clarification on the Covert Ops Legendary Token:

• 15% chance to get Captain America (Infinity War), Hawkeye (Clint Barton), Black Widow (Natasha Romanoff)

Is that a 15% chance for each of them (i.e. 45% chance you'll pull one of those three) or a 15% chance for all of them (i.e. 5% chance for each)? I might be mistaken, but I recall previous special LTs offering a 10% chance on the new character, so this is either a step down or a step up. EDIT: I just did a search on the forum, both the Gambit Mes Amis tokens and the Jessica Jones Alias tokens offered a 15% rate. I just cannot for the life of me recall if that was per character.

I believe it follows previous iterations of Legendary Stores, and will give a 15% chance to get a 5-Star character, with those 3 as potentially obtainable characters. I've adjusted the wording to provide further clarity.

scottee

Since it's a burst heal, his yellow is really only useful with DD or OML. So if someone is running one of those characters as a main 5* (because you don't have Gambit), I could see a space for Infinity Cap. Especially if your normal team doesn't have a red nuke.

mega ghost

Arix90 said:

mega ghost said:

I don't care that it's yet another Cap and the second Cap in the 5* tier, he looks great and has unique mechanics. I'm excited to see the character art. I'm expecting the beard.

@Brigby One point of clarification on the Covert Ops Legendary Token:

• 15% chance to get Captain America (Infinity War), Hawkeye (Clint Barton), Black Widow (Natasha Romanoff)

Is that a 15% chance for each of them (i.e. 45% chance you'll pull one of those three) or a 15% chance for all of them (i.e. 5% chance for each)? I might be mistaken, but I recall previous special LTs offering a 10% chance on the new character, so this is either a step down or a step up. EDIT: I just did a search on the forum, both the Gambit Mes Amis tokens and the Jessica Jones Alias tokens offered a 15% rate. I just cannot for the life of me recall if that was per character.

Theyd never do a 45% chance of a 5*  its 5% each as with recent events

You know, when you put it like that, it seems absurd. I think I've just had great luck with these: I pulled a Gambit on the first try with his special token and Jessica Jones on the sixth try with hers (after pulling another 5* on the previous pull.)

Brigby said:

mega ghost said:

I don't care that it's yet another Cap and the second Cap in the 5* tier, he looks great and has unique mechanics. I'm excited to see the character art. I'm expecting the beard.

Brigby One point of clarification on the Covert Ops Legendary Token:

• 15% chance to get Captain America (Infinity War), Hawkeye (Clint Barton), Black Widow (Natasha Romanoff)

Is that a 15% chance for each of them (i.e. 45% chance you'll pull one of those three) or a 15% chance for all of them (i.e. 5% chance for each)? I might be mistaken, but I recall previous special LTs offering a 10% chance on the new character, so this is either a step down or a step up. EDIT: I just did a search on the forum, both the Gambit Mes Amis tokens and the Jessica Jones Alias tokens offered a 15% rate. I just cannot for the life of me recall if that was per character.

I believe it follows previous iterations of Legendary Stores, and will give a 15% chance to get a 5-Star character, with those 3 as potentially obtainable characters. I've adjusted the wording to provide further clarity.

Thanks @Brigby !

STOPTHIS

So how would the crop of Cap, JJ, and GR be for someone jumping into the 5* realm? Obviously, they're no Gambit, but still.

zodiac339

So are all instances of Steve Rogers (???) being changed to Captain America (???)? I was expecting to see Steve Rogers (Nomad) instead of a generic title which says “By the way, this is a movie tie in.”
Powers, 10K to non-targets for 8 red? That sounds real nice. The low cost of purple makes it almost viable against Gambit. Yellow... YMMV. interaction with Phoenix will be interesting to see. Might depend on whether From the Ashes successfully revived her or not before being downed again. If it worked, her power set should have transformed green. If the CD got matched out, then green might still be From the Ashes. And then you’re bringing her to the next fight at 1 health (or so), so she gets immediately downed and revived with much better health.

Schlagen13

Bright, does his purple stop passive or just active powers?

Brigby

Schlagen13 said:

Bright, does his purple stop passive or just active powers?

Based on the wording, I'd say that it probably wouldn't prevent a Passive from triggering, as that's not "firing" the power.

Gowaderacer

STOPTHIS said:

So how would the crop of Cap, JJ, and GR be for someone jumping into the 5* realm? Obviously, they're no Gambit, but still.

JJ has a killer passive, a decent nuke and relativity cheap strike tile generation. GR is pretty average but has a high health pool, decent ap generation and also a good nuke. Obviously haven't had experience with cap but cheap ap/power denial (gambit counter) , team revive and potentially one of the most powerful nukes in the game. I'd say go for it. 

Richyyy

Gowaderacer said:

STOPTHIS said:

So how would the crop of Cap, JJ, and GR be for someone jumping into the 5* realm? Obviously, they're no Gambit, but still.

JJ has a killer passive, a decent nuke and relativity cheap strike tile generation. GR is pretty average but has a high health pool, decent ap generation and also a good nuke. Obviously haven't had experience with cap but cheap ap/power denial (gambit counter) , team revive and potentially one of the most powerful nukes in the game. I'd say go for it. 

Personally, not being particularly excited by Ghost Rider, I'm gonna wait to see what the next 5* looks like (presumably the umpteenth Spidey). Then you've got the choice between GR/JJ/Cap or JJ/Cap/?? for cracking the hoard. Cap doesn't look that great, but good enough that I'll at least pull until my 2/4/2 Jess hits 13 covers.

purplemur

Coulson w/ Destroyer Gun Support + On Your Feet Soldier! seem like a fun silly combo

Coup de Grace for boss fights seems like an easy ramp and nuke

I love when Cap goes to Dimension Zola and saves the little boy who becomes Nomad. Gritty, dark stuff.

Swingmonalisa

I don't come to the forums often, but I've been playing the game for 1557 days. Since AA is not great, I was hoarding for Cap's release, hoping that it would possible be more usable other than Gambit...which I have to use EVERY PVP match...and it sucks....and it's boring...and he's broken this game. So then when I hear that Cap has a red power that looks great, and a purple power that looks fun as well...it sucks bad. I'm seriously contemplating quitting this game and following in the long line of vets who have retired recently. The devs are so myopic on this issue its maddening. How in the world can you release character after character in the 5* realm that are ALREADY nerfed by gambit. What is the point...

Pensrule2007

HoundofShadow

Coup de Grace easily deals out 30k+ damage. His yellow is a new ability - the ability to revive team members. Let's not forget about the lower level rosters. They could make use of Captain America's yellow to revive other characters like Daken, Patch, R&G (3*), 4* DeadPool, X-Force, 4* Blade, instead of waiting for x minutes for them to wake up from unconsciousness and then start recovering health. 

His purple is another new ability - to stop opponent from firing an active power of the selected colour. Pair him with a support that can fortify his tiles and you won't have to worry about getting matched too much.

I can understand why he's considered a low-tier 5* to some because he's more of a support character, rather than an "instant" killing machine. 2/3 of his ability deals no damage to the enemy. I'm glad that they are not going with "instant killing" route. 

ZeiramMR

HoundofShadow said:

Coup de Grace easily deals out 30k+ damage. His yellow is a new ability - the ability to revive team members. Let's not forget about the lower level rosters. They could make use of Captain America's yellow to revive other characters like Daken, Patch, R&G (3*), 4* DeadPool, X-Force, 4* Blade, instead of waiting for x minutes for them to wake up from unconsciousness and then start recovering health. 

His purple is another new ability - to stop opponent from firing an active power of the selected colour. Pair him with a support that can fortify his tiles and you won't have to worry about getting matched too much.

I can understand why he's considered a low-tier 5* to some because he's more of a support character, rather than an "instant" killing machine. 2/3 of his ability deals no damage to the enemy. I'm glad that they are not going with "instant killing" route. 

But you would still need to be able to bring the true-healers into a fight to revive them, and the game will force you to use a health pack on them if they need to be revived on the character select screen.

Basepuzzler

Nerf gambit!  Then maybe you could use cap in pvp without getting killed.

HoundofShadow

I understand where you coming from but his ability reads as:

Captain America reaches down and lifts up his fallen ally. This battle's not over yet. Revives a Downed ally and grants them a burst of 60% health.

It's meant for characters who went into battle with him and downed during the battle. So, it's not meant for characters who were already downed.

For 5* land, he might not be useful. But if you were to team him up with true healers who died during battle or use his yellow as a teamup in 2*/3*/4* land, you won't have to wait 20-30 minutes for them to start healing. 

Typically, the process goes like this:
1) character downed during battle.
2) wait x minute for downed character to regain consciousness
3) recover health

What Captain America did for true healer is to remove step 2 because it gives them 1HP true heal and the rest burst heal. It's useful if you don't want to use healthpack to revive them and want to rely on their true heal.

Swingmonalisa

HoundofShadow said:

For 5* land, he might not be useful. But if you were to team him up with true healers who died during battle or use his yellow as a teamup in 2*/3*/4* land, you won't have to wait 20-30 minutes for them to start healing.

What's the point of releasing a 5* to use with 2/3/4*? Gaining 15 yellow AP isn't worth saving a health pack for a 2/3/4* either. 

wymtime

HoundofShadow said:

Coup de Grace easily deals out 30k+ damage. His yellow is a new ability - the ability to revive team members. Let's not forget about the lower level rosters. They could make use of Captain America's yellow to revive other characters like Daken, Patch, R&G (3*), 4* DeadPool, X-Force, 4* Blade, instead of waiting for x minutes for them to wake up from unconsciousness and then start recovering health. 

His purple is another new ability - to stop opponent from firing an active power of the selected colour. Pair him with a support that can fortify his tiles and you won't have to worry about getting matched too much.

I can understand why he's considered a low-tier 5* to some because he's more of a support character, rather than an "instant" killing machine. 2/3 of his ability deals no damage to the enemy. I'm glad that they are not going with "instant killing" route. 

The new 5* cap is interesting and he will be better in boss events more so than anything else.  As far as his purple goes even if you take gambit out of the equation there are better purple abilities in the 5* tier.  You have DD, Thanos, BW, and Phoenix .  Caps yellow is very interesting but it is really expensive and a low situational.  Most fights don’t end with a friendly going down.  This means he is a 3rd at best, and more likely a boss fight specialist. If his purple was a blue power he might be more interesting.