The Demiurge Players Should Uncloak

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Colognoisseur
Colognoisseur Posts: 808 Critical Contributor
in MPQ General Discussion
We hear that there are high level players on the Development Team. It is easy to believe it but there is no real evidence that it is true.

I would like to propose that the Demiurge players release their in-game names especially the high-level players.

The reasoning behind keeping under their cloaking device is because they will be treated differently. While it might be true at first. I'll admit if Anthony uncloaks I'd change slices to give him a shot or two. Eventually I'd get bored and go back to normal.

We have evidence this is true from the early days. Ice IX played in the game as, wait for it, "Ice IX" as a charter member of Django Unbuffed. While i know i enjoyed seeing him in queues if he wasn't worth enough points I'd skip him. I know he hit me at the end of one event dragging me back from the top placement because I was worth enough points to him.

This was one big reason we respected when Ice IX said something. We saw him out there fighting in-game with the rest of us. We knew he was experiencing what we were experiencing. It would be nice to know which slices the Demiurge high-level players are playing at. It would be nice to peek at their rosters and see what they have to use. I do think that it would be very helpful when things are communicated to the rest of the high-level players based on the Demiurge players' input.

Like Ice IX if they join any of the top alliances they will participate with the same truces that exist which will keep down hits. They would even sort of be a badge of honor to have a Dev on your team.

Please consider dropping your cloaking devices and joining in with the community I think it could go a long way.
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  • Daiches
    Daiches Posts: 1,252 Chairperson of the Boards
    S4 is ready for @Demiurge_Anthony return or should I say [REDACTED]?
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Colognoisseur I was waiting for this once I saw that comment.  I do agree with you 100% on this. If they have “expert players” it would be nice to see their rosters and understand what they see because their seems to be a disconnect from what we see to what they see.  
  • crackninja
    crackninja Posts: 444 Mover and Shaker
    They would gain credibility.  Of course that doesn't have a direct, measurable dollar value, so it is a hard sell if there is a legitimate reason they do not want to reveal themselves.
  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    JHawkInc said:
    These forums are so hostile that people will find a way to give the devs hell no matter what their rosters look like.

    The only thing I see coming from this are players saying the devs don't know what they're doing and pointing out some perceived flaw on their rosters as proof.
    So much this. There is no reason for them to have to let us know who they are.
  • Daiches
    Daiches Posts: 1,252 Chairperson of the Boards
    tiomono said:
    JHawkInc said:
    These forums are so hostile that people will find a way to give the devs hell no matter what their rosters look like.

    The only thing I see coming from this are players saying the devs don't know what they're doing and pointing out some perceived flaw on their rosters as proof.
    So much this. There is no reason for them to have to let us know who they are.
    Finding out a dev places well in PVE or knows how to climb in PVP would go a long way to credibility.
  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    Daiches said:
    tiomono said:
    JHawkInc said:
    These forums are so hostile that people will find a way to give the devs hell no matter what their rosters look like.

    The only thing I see coming from this are players saying the devs don't know what they're doing and pointing out some perceived flaw on their rosters as proof.
    So much this. There is no reason for them to have to let us know who they are.
    Finding out a dev places well in PVE or knows how to climb in PVP would go a long way to credibility.
    They help make a game many of us enjoy (while others just seem to want to complain and criticise nonstop). They do not need credibility on the forums. 

    The second they are seen doing something not "optimal" or "meta" some person will feel the need to point out they don't have a clue how to make or play their own game. There is enough negative blind hate on these forums already.
  • CharlieCroker
    CharlieCroker Posts: 254 Mover and Shaker
    Whilst I do support the uncloaking premise, I do think revealing their IGNs could potentially open up a can of worms if, for example, their rosters have been acquired or added to in a manner which would be considered illegitimate for an non-Demiurge player.

    I would however be interested to see their general roster strength and what they consider to be an "expert" level of play.  Does this mean mowing through PvP with a high level Thorbit, tapping for hours in PVE, or merely playing in a higher SCL and testing the enviroment.
  • iron-n-wine
    iron-n-wine Posts: 495 Mover and Shaker
    Brigby said:
    This just reminds me that I need to update my roster tracker...   :sweat:
    looks like you have a working Grocket/Gamora/Medusa combo there :)
  • Chrono_Tata
    Chrono_Tata Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    I also disagree that the devs who have regular accounts in the game should reveal their ID, mainly for the same reasons as others already stated. I'd just add that with Ice, he was/is a D3 employee who doesn't have any direct input or control in the game; he is just a middleman between the players and the developers. For devs who are directly working on the game, they would come under a much higher level of scrutiny if their identities are known. I think it's just not worth the risk. 
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    I have mixed feelings on this.  

    On the one hand I can see the lending credibility arguments and certainly other games have done so.

    On the other hand for some players I could see their new goal in life becoming to attack these players mercilessly in PvP for any host of reasons.  

    Having them be treated as just another player is crucial if they want to actually get a real player's experience.  As soon as their secret identities were to become revealed the game would fundamentally change, at least in terms of competition.  So I'm leaning towards keeping them secret.
  • Michaelcles
    Michaelcles Posts: 100 Tile Toppler
    So the devs, knowing the ins and outs of the game, are playing against us?

    Doesn’t seem fair.

    How much have they had to spend to stay competitive?

    Players are forbidden to cheat, but what about the devs?
  • tfcrazy1980
    tfcrazy1980 Posts: 132 Tile Toppler
    Oh not just the devs have an advantage....funny because i sent a similar pm questioning something similar to this very topic and never got a response
  • tfcrazy1980
    tfcrazy1980 Posts: 132 Tile Toppler
    Gee, lets see if we get a response now....
  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,567 Chairperson of the Boards
    In real world poker (casino gambling),  House backed players are called Shills. Casino/Card houses do this so every game has enough players to keep the action moving and the game fun for paying players.  

    The good news is,  the poker dealers will always tell you who is playing on behalf of the house, and the specific betting/calling rules that the shill will play by.  (i.e. If a shill raises,  it means 3 of kind or better).

    I share that anecdote to give you a sense of how other forms of entertainment alert players of "in house" experts and how they explicitly define the rules that "in house" players operate under.

    draw you own conclusion on how they should self identify

  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    broll said:
    On the other hand for some players I could see their new goal in life becoming to attack these players mercilessly in PvP for any host of reasons.  
    Michaelcles said:
    So the devs, knowing the ins and outs of the game, are playing against us?

    Doesn’t seem fair.

    How much have they had to spend to stay competitive?

    Players are forbidden to cheat, but what about the devs?


    Or attacking them out of game... close enough...
  • ZeiramMR
    ZeiramMR Posts: 1,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2018
    Daiches said:
    tiomono said:
    JHawkInc said:
    These forums are so hostile that people will find a way to give the devs hell no matter what their rosters look like.

    The only thing I see coming from this are players saying the devs don't know what they're doing and pointing out some perceived flaw on their rosters as proof.
    So much this. There is no reason for them to have to let us know who they are.
    Finding out a dev places well in PVE or knows how to climb in PVP would go a long way to credibility.
    Knowing how to do place/climb well is not the same as committing the time/HP to do so. But if they are doing well in an event, it would confirm it.
  • Michaelcles
    Michaelcles Posts: 100 Tile Toppler
    broll said:
    broll said:
    On the other hand for some players I could see their new goal in life becoming to attack these players mercilessly in PvP for any host of reasons.  
    Michaelcles said:
    So the devs, knowing the ins and outs of the game, are playing against us?

    Doesn’t seem fair.

    How much have they had to spend to stay competitive?

    Players are forbidden to cheat, but what about the devs?


    Or attacking them out of game... close enough...
    I am not attacking them personally, I am complaining about unfairness.

    For software upgrades, I think of the process as

    development -> testing -> production

    As players we see production.  There is a unfair advantage to knowing the first two legs.  Devs have probably tested a character/enhancement and know how to use it well before players.

    That is unfair.

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