Emergency Bans

GrizzoMtGPQ
GrizzoMtGPQ Posts: 776 Critical Contributor
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Please ban or fix the following RIX cards:

Etali - this card cannot have haste. It is totally OP in this condition.

Path of Discovery - there are way too many loop possibilities with an ETB explore effect that includes tokens. 

Anyone else see problematic cards?
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  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    I’m not sure Explore:1 is as powerful as you imply it is. I’d say Path of Discovery might help us all understand if / how powerful it can be. New Perspectives is probably still more powerful. 
  • GrizzoMtGPQ
    GrizzoMtGPQ Posts: 776 Critical Contributor
    Try it with Zendikar Roil and anything that does mass gem change to green, Hour of Promise/Animist Awakening/etc.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    @GrizzoMtGPQ
     Dude can we lay off the ban/nerf posts untill we've all played with the set for at least two weeks?

    Judging a card just on it's text without trying it out for play is just a bit ...eh.... well I can't come up with the word, lets say pre-judgemental.

    thanks!
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2018
    @andrewvanmarle and @Bullvinne (and just everyone in general)

    Grizzo does actually own these cards.  He has already, in fact, used Path of Discovery and Zendikar's Roil to go infinite.  These are his observations after playtesting these cards (and after other coalition members have playtested them).

    Lets just discuss the merits of leaving the cards as is.

    *edited to remove namecalling.  Sorry
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    @Mburn7

    Lets leave the namecalling to other forums, it's'not productive at all. Right?

    You are right, I assumed Grizzo didnt have those cards, but even then I advocate against nerfcalling as soon as 24 hours after a set has launched. 

    thnx
  • ZW2007-
    ZW2007- Posts: 812 Critical Contributor
    Well, lets not call for a nerf to Path of Discovery when coupling it with a known bugged card that is spitting out double or quadruple the amount of tokens it is supposed to when it triggers.
  • nerdstrap
    nerdstrap Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    Path of Discovery is OP but not more OP than a long history of other OP cards. In this new standard it is an entry level engine for wins. Let’s keep it until the new Rishkar’s Expertise is made. Calling for bans is not productive when they can’t even fix bugs...
  • Thuran
    Thuran Posts: 456 Mover and Shaker
    First they should fix roil, then we can evaluate.

    Calling for a ban of a card, because of its interaction with a card that is BUGGED seems a little silly.

    Ofc, an easy fix, if it is still too good after the bug fix (coupled with TSN also seems really good, or hangar back walker), is to just have it say: "nontoken creature"
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah Roil+Path is troll-level. Path + Hangarback is rough but not nearly as bad.
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    GrizzoMtGPQ said:
    Please ban or fix the following RIX cards:

    Etali - this card cannot have haste. It is totally OP in this condition.

    Compared to an 8/8 dragon (glorybringer) @ 19 mana with haste and exert 2 for 8 damage to non-dragon units the opponent controls ... just curious as to how this is OP? This is an honest question and am not trying to be snarky. Would just like some more insight from you regarding this.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    And this is the problem with Origins always staying in standard.

    I don't mind having a base set to always choose from, but the cards from Ixalan weren't designed to ever see the cards in Origins in standard, and as such broken interactions will exist.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    wereotter said:
    And this is the problem with Origins always staying in standard.

    I don't mind having a base set to always choose from, but the cards from Ixalan weren't designed to ever see the cards in Origins in standard, and as such broken interactions will exist.
    Actually that's'a weird conclusion to make: instead of criticising  the devs for not taking origings into account ( the one constand in standard) you critique origins being a constant.

    I'd'say that it's'a flaw in the design process to not take origins into account.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Wait until you have giant stacks of Ghalta dumped on your head for free. Good times. =)
  • octal9
    octal9 Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    @madwren sorry if that was my deck
  • Bullvinne
    Bullvinne Posts: 77 Match Maker
    lol it probably was @octal9, that is a pretty awesome deck
     
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2018

    andrewvanmarle said:
    @Mburn7

    Lets leave the namecalling to other forums, it's'not productive at all. Right?

    You are right, I assumed Grizzo didnt have those cards, but even then I advocate against nerfcalling as soon as 24 hours after a set has launched. 

    thnx
    nerfcalling, that's a catchy term for it.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    I'm'a catchy guy   :D
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    andrewvanmarle said:
    I'm'a catchy guy   :D
    lol something like that ;)


  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    andrewvanmarle said:
    wereotter said:
    And this is the problem with Origins always staying in standard.

    I don't mind having a base set to always choose from, but the cards from Ixalan weren't designed to ever see the cards in Origins in standard, and as such broken interactions will exist.
    Actually that's'a weird conclusion to make: instead of criticising  the devs for not taking origings into account ( the one constand in standard) you critique origins being a constant.

    I'd'say that it's'a flaw in the design process to not take origins into account.
    That would imply that they do more than copy and past some cards into the set. Though in all honesty I'm not sure how they could have worked explore to be anything different than it is without nerfing the mechanic into uselessness by not having tokens trigger it. So Zendikar's Roil comboing off Path of Discovery was kind of inevitable.

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