The Simulator: April 29 - May 6

Bowgentle

Wait, what? Spidey is not buffed in the Sim.

daveomite

Phantron wrote:

I'm pretty sure roster determines your base level scaling. You're not going to have a guy with level 50 characters that start off with level 80 enemies. That'd be pretty insane. How you win games determines how fast that goes up.

I find that if I don't send Magneto or Spiderman out, the rest of my characters have no problem taking a ton of damage, and I guess I might as well use my backups until the opponent gets hard enough to require one of the big two. Well, I always use Magneto on the Falcon missions, but that's because my Falcon is way undercovered and needs the help.

I have one character, Torch, over 100. 115 to be exact. The Psylocke 90 and Punisher 89. Then OBW, mThor and aWolvie are at 85. I do have Spidey around 70, just got cMags, but only have 2 covers total on him.

I did not run into massive scaling issues until after HT was lifted above 100. So, in my view...If they are saying that because I have one character above 100, then, my base nodes all start at 120-180?

daveomite

Bowgentle wrote:

Wait, what? Spidey is not buffed in the Sim.

You are correct. I mistyped. He's not buffed, but just allowed in it, that is what I meant. I will edit the post to correct that.

Unknown

daveomite wrote:

Phantron wrote:

I'm pretty sure roster determines your base level scaling. You're not going to have a guy with level 50 characters that start off with level 80 enemies. That'd be pretty insane. How you win games determines how fast that goes up.

I find that if I don't send Magneto or Spiderman out, the rest of my characters have no problem taking a ton of damage, and I guess I might as well use my backups until the opponent gets hard enough to require one of the big two. Well, I always use Magneto on the Falcon missions, but that's because my Falcon is way undercovered and needs the help.

I have one character, Torch, over 100. 115 to be exact. The Psylocke 90 and Punisher 89. Then OBW, mThor and aWolvie are at 85. I do have Spidey around 70, just got cMags, but only have 2 covers total on him.

I did not run into massive scaling issues until after HT was lifted above 100. So, in my view...If they are saying that because I have one character above 100, then, my base nodes all start at 120-180?

On my hard bracket I have 100-110 on the essentials (they always tend to be lower level) and 120-150 for the rest. That doesn't seem unreasonably high for my roster that contains multiple level 141s. Of course, most of the combination you fight in the Simulator are pretty challenging. I was just doing the HT mission with Captain (141) and The Hood (141) and Captain America barely survived that fight (Peacemaker protect tile saved the day).

nihilium

Would someone be so kind and tell me if refresh is 8 or 12 hours?

Unknown

Just to give some perspective, here's how I'm going as a 1* to 2* player :

I'm on day 21 in the game. I'm in an alliance and I enter all the events though I don't do particularly well usually. I live in Australia where the time is GMT + 10 so the end times of events is usually awful for me, usually around 3pm or 3am. I've bought HP for my alliance spot and roster slots, haven't bought any covers or cover packs.

My 1*s are all maxed. My highest 2*s are level 53 (x2), 46, 38, 37, and 30 - all are soft capped currently.

I tried playing the Venon PvEs when I first started just for kicks, then played The Hunt seriously to finish in top 100. I completed some nodes in each sub-event, only ever repeating those essential nodes I could I access 2-3 times. I had no Spider-Man, OBW, or cMagmeto. I did gain a MNmagneto partway through and used him occasionally. My personal scaling never increased based on Top of the World levels, and community scaling seemed on par with what I expected from reading the forum threads here.

In this current PvE my unlock nodes are sitting at 36-37-36 in easy, and 42-42-42 in hard mode. I've completed all nodes in both modes a minimum of once each, with all easy nodes done again after the 1st or 2nd refresh. Hard nodes have only been done again up to sim 06, where I'm stuck so far. All essential nodes have been done 2-3 times max.

In easy mode : sim 01 has enemies at 44-44-44, sim 03 has 63-63-63, sim 05 has 35-36-36, sim 06 has 50-51-50, and sim 07 has 52-52-52. Essential nodes (from l-r) are 31-31-31, 40-41-40, and 32-33-33.

In hard mode : sim 01 has enemies 77-78-77, sim 03 has 113-113-113, sim 05 has 64-65-64, sim 06 has 89-89-89, and sim 07 has 86-87-87. Essential nodes (from l-r) are 44-44-44, 50-51-51, and 41-42-42.

Based on how high my hard mode levels have risen, this event will scale out of my reach fairly soon. I have the Falcon so am lucky enough to be able to access those essential nodes for now, but if/when that required character changes I'm likely to be locked out as I lack more than half of the other buffed ones.

I'm enjoying this PvE a heck of a lot more than that mind-numbing Hunt one, and I love the MPQ game so far.

But are these events a breeze to play for me at my level, with my roster? Comparatively, I have to say "yes" because I haven't had as long to build up MMR scores that make so many events scarily hard to play. Should they be? No, absolutely not. From a purely selfish perspective, a game that over-rewards newer players will obviously benefit me NOW, but at my direct expense for all the time I continue to play after I'm no longer "new enough" to matter. That seems... a baffling choice at a design level. To say the least!

Unknown

Good grief, so many lower level players are grinding these nodes to 1.

I don't think I've ever seen myself bouncing around in the top 15 in both brackets simultaneously and still being thousands of points off the main bracket lead at 40th place in my bracket.

Holy incoming scaling tonight....

HairyDave

Lyrian wrote:

Good grief, so many lower level players are grinding these nodes to 1.

I don't think I've ever seen myself bouncing around in the top 15 in both brackets simultaneously and still being thousands of points off the main bracket lead at 40th place in my bracket.

Holy incoming scaling tonight....

That's almost exactly what I'm seeing too.

Depending on refreshes (I'm out of sync between the two subs), I'm top 3 to somewhere mid-teens in both but only 33rd in the main event. I'm only about 1500 points behind the leader though so I should be able to make up the difference at some point. My top ten has only one guy with more than one maxed 2* - everyone else looks to be mid-60s.

My alliance is number one though which is kinda cool

kensterr

@amanda1983 - yes, you will be screwed once you have a decent ** roster and transitioning into ***. That's what a lot of mid-tier players are facing. Most long-time players have enough 141s to get the job done, but are they enjoying the ridiculous challenge? Majority no, the ones who enjoy the challenge likes pain.

daveomite

HairyDave wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

Good grief, so many lower level players are grinding these nodes to 1.

I don't think I've ever seen myself bouncing around in the top 15 in both brackets simultaneously and still being thousands of points off the main bracket lead at 40th place in my bracket.

Holy incoming scaling tonight....

That's almost exactly what I'm seeing too.

Depending on refreshes (I'm out of sync between the two subs), I'm top 3 to somewhere mid-teens in both but only 33rd in the main event. I'm only about 1500 points behind the leader though so I should be able to make up the difference at some point. My top ten has only one guy with more than one maxed 2* - everyone else looks to be mid-60s.

My alliance is number one though which is kinda cool

same here. In easy alone, I now sit 4,500 point being the leader, but have cleared the nodes one/refresh. Then just tallied up how much each node would net on another clear, would still leave me at least 1k behind first.

In main, I know I can catch up, but not seeing how without some repeating certain nodes.

over_clocked

I got a reply from Support as well.

Here, quoting myself:

I do have characters that are considered broken tier for PvE, but I would gladly forego using them if my levels didn't start that high without me doing anything in the first place.

and their reply:

The nodes for this event are based on your PvE matchmaking rating, and you will have to participate in the event in order for this ranking to change.
Part of the reason you have encountered these is because of your characters that are very powerful in PvE, and the game is trying to provide you with a challenge.

I felt challenged enough at level 230! Honest! I only try to break out Magneto and Spidey when there's no other way for me to beat a mission. Hopefully my scaling gets lower by the next event, because I am way too chicken to beat lvl 330 oBW in Hard (beat the easy one with cMagneto though).

Is that the perfect way to win a battle, D3?


^ I purposefully suicided with Ares' Sunder lol

I have a feeling that the only way to never see the dreaded lvl 395 enemies is to delete your cMagneto and Spider-Man covers.

Unknown

Lyrian wrote:

Good grief, so many lower level players are grinding these nodes to 1.

I don't think I've ever seen myself bouncing around in the top 15 in both brackets simultaneously and still being thousands of points off the main bracket lead at 40th place in my bracket.

Holy incoming scaling tonight....

I believe that this grinding of nodes is only a fraction of the problem. As most forum goers realize by now, grinding out a node actually has a very detrimental talk effect on future battles for that particular player. BUT, the majority of the playerbase probably doesn't check the boards, so what you have is a vast majority of the playerbase grinding out nodes to get the rewards before the sub expires, so that makes the community coefficient much higher in the scaling algorithm. And for a player who already has high values in the designated factors for pve rating, this inadvertently raises their level scaling through the roof. Is it correct according to the Pve rating system? Yes. But is such a large swing in scaling fair to each individual player affected? That's a more difficult answer.

Some have a full levelled roster and can deal with the challenge, furthering their rating. Others don't have the means so they can't complete it, so this places a ceiling on ranking advancement. So it becomes difficult to say if it's fair, since subjectively to the player it isnt, whereas objectively it presents a system to reward those that can rise up and meet the challenge presented.

Unknown

Lyrian wrote:

Good grief, so many lower level players are grinding these nodes to 1.

I don't think I've ever seen myself bouncing around in the top 15 in both brackets simultaneously and still being thousands of points off the main bracket lead at 40th place in my bracket.

Holy incoming scaling tonight....

I know what you mean. I am leading my easy sub bracket by 700 the hard one by over 1000 and did not even make it into the top 10 of my main. Not sure what my plan is for the last refresh but its probably going to require doing the essentials 3 times to drag myself back up in the main.

mohio

I haven't touched this event yet myself due to my scaling being out of whack, but from what I'm hearing I'm not going to try too hard to place very highly. I'd much rather get my MMR back in line with what it should be than make it worse for a few falcon covers I don't particularly care for (oh and event tokens that will likely be vendor food).

daveomite

Managed to catch up in hard sim, but in easy, at least the top 2 in there, might have iron man at 40. Bw at 20, storm at 20. Yet, here they sit nearly 4k ahead. Even though I did a clear now of the essentials, still have a long way to go considering the essentials were only 700-800 each after the refresh. Fun times.

daveomite

mohio wrote:

I haven't touched this event yet myself due to my scaling being out of whack, but from what I'm hearing I'm not going to try too hard to place very highly. I'd much rather get my MMR back in line with what it should be than make it worse for a few falcon covers I don't particularly care for (oh and event tokens that will likely be vendor food).

not a bad plan at all. I was considering that, but, we have some members of the alliance that could really use some iso/covers. Even if I don't need them, I'm going to try to do as much as I can for the team, even if that means I don't personally place that well. From what I know, I have some of the highest levels, and lowest points to gain in nodes out of most of the rest of a 20 person alliance.

Unknown

this event is fun for me xD im about to get my daily today which is a heroic token so im hoping to get someone that gets buffed in this event so i can level them up and continue to try to get the top 5 or top 10 so i can get about 1-2 tokens from easy and hard so i can continue to work on my 2* characters

and im hoping to get rangarok from the rewards so he can go higher o-o he's been stuck at level 15 since forever so i haven't used him much since he has godlike power only lol

oh and i got moonstone not too long ago from one of my recruit tokens so i can level her up more o-o

Unknown

Pamizard, realize that neither Moonstone nor Ragnarok are good. There are many better characters to level. Check out the character ranking thread for tips.

Unknown

Im assuming you are in the middle of your 2* transition right now. Dont focus too much on moonstone (not a great 2*) and Rags (bad 3*). Just keep pumping your iso into thor/ares/daken/OWB/cstorm/mnMags - your choice really. Any of those will do you better in the long run

daveomite

Didn't the Hunt have alliance leader boards and rewards in each sub? I could swear it did. But the Sim subs don't. So guessing the only alliance rewards are from the entire event, not each sub and the main as before?