Venom Bomb suck!!! Fix the scaling!!!

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  • grunth13
    grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2017
    ViralCore said:
    grunth13 said:
    Then why play the game...go back to candy crush.  This game is inherently based on competition in every aspect.  That is what we do...we compete.  Hence I would like a even playing field just like every 4star wants an even playing field in pvp.

    An even playing field?  So your 541 Thanos, 536 Hawkey, 530 Black Panther leveled 5*s should have the same power level as someone else's 241 Cho Hulk, 236 Mordo, and 230 Ghost Rider?
    It should have the same ap to damage ratio, that would be fair, with also a same damage to health ratio.  Not your ridiculous analogies.
  • Spudgutter
    Spudgutter Posts: 743 Critical Contributor
    grunth13 said:
    Spudgutter said:
    grunth13 said:
    Spudgutter said:
    grunth13 said:
    ViralCore said:
    grunth13 said:
    ViralCore said:
    541 Thanos, 536 Hawkey, 530 Black Panther? Why even play pve? Only mega whales have these levels. Save yourself some headaches, it takes much less time opening 40 packs.
    its iso...always the iso

    If it's ISO, you can just clear casually throughout the day. Why wait for the last min for a perfect clear?
    On a new release I would like to be competitive, just like the next guy...isn't that why you play the game?
    At every other star level, the right boosted list matters for placement just as much as time. You can have all the time in the world, but if you dont have the matching boosted roster to meet it, it is going to be tough.  Since a few other people with 5* rosters have said this event was ok, would that be an indicator that this event may be somewhat balanced for the 5* range as well?  

    If you have been blessed by RNG to have a good 5* roster, and have decided to allocate iso to them instead of some of your 4*, maybe some versus events you will not be as competitive.
    Outside of ViralCore, I have not seen 1 single 5 star person who has said they enjoyed the event...please try again.  Also, I have every 4 star champed, but not all max champed like some others since vaulting destroyed my plans on that.  Now with my scaling which is in the 100k+ for all tile movers and 60 to 100k for symbiotes, I would really like for you to tell me who I should use from the boosted 4s that will not get wiped out by just passive damage.
    Someone in the first page mentioned getting 4th(but costing health packs) and someone else mentioned the top 2 people in their slice had champed 5*.   Alternatively, just because they aren't posting here in agreement with you(or me, for that matter) doesn't imply someone being more "correct" than the other.  Take it for what it's worth, i guess. 

    That said, who likes the event?  Your post was about the tinykitty scaling for 5*, not the enjoyment level of the event.  Make a poll about that and i will gladly agree with you that it is at the bottom of the list of "enjoyable" events.  

    My point is that depending on the roster, at any level, some events will be played differently than others.  I don't know if i am right or wrong, but i am sure not going to assert it *is* right just because i said so.
    Actually, if you re-read my original post, it is all about the enjoyment of this event.  I even say, I use to like this event quite a bit.  Also, just because you have 5stars leading the pack doesn't show they are enjoying the event, they may be using a ton of boost for every match.  That is unprofitable, so I refuse to do that.  If I have am using 5-10 health packs per grind and you are using 1 because your scaling is much better, than that is not comparing apples to apples.  Again, I don't know why I even try with you...you have shown your ignorance in the pvp thread, as you are showing it now.
    I was replying to a different topic made in the middle of the thread.  These things do that, taking twists and turns.

    So which do you want to debate, placement or enjoyment, or both?  You want to be competitive, but won't utilize all the tools at your disposal to do so.  You want it to be fair, but concede that you have an advantage in pvp.  

    You are all over the place with this.  And then attack me, instead of my opinions?  Classy.  

    And don't try to drag out that pvp argument either. A day or two after that thread died down, a 5* individual in a particular slice group had an explosion about being hit, and talked of past retaliation and how this could lead to another. I thought better than to posts those details because i had already made my argument, i didn't feel like i needed to back it up with any more proof.

    Dont like my opinion, argue it with your own.  I don't like yours, and i argue it with mine. Thats how it works.  All i keep seeing is you attacking people that disagree with you.  That doesn't lend itself to a popular discussion. 
  • Spudgutter
    Spudgutter Posts: 743 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2017
    smkspy said:
    grunth13 said:
    smkspy said:
    grunth13 said:
    smkspy said:
    grunth13 said:
    smkspy said:
    Sorry, maybe if I were in this 5 star situation I would have more empathy. As it stands I don't have much when I look at the OP'S roster. Pay to play, accept the consequences.

    That said, I do hope they make a fairer scaling system that promotes all players into taking the leap into 5 star land.
    I understand the well, its not affecting me, so I don't care attitude, but let me ask you a single question...was this situation ever explained to anyone that if you go to 5 star land, your scaling will go to mega fist up your tinykitty level?  What I do remember was the development team telling us over and over that having 5 stars won't tinykitty up your scaling.  I remember that tinykitty fake roster with maxed everything but never played a game that one of the mods showed us and the beginning scaling was ridiculously small to try and prove that.  I was well into 5 star land before anyone admitted, "hey we tinykitty up and don't know how to fix it."  I was well in 5 star land when I had to play the same 3 characters for every match for 1 year.  So, please, if you think I should accept the consequences, maybe you should show me where they told me what the tinykitty consequences were. 

    The consequences were readily apparent from day one that 5 stars vastly affected people's scaling. But people still collected them, still bought them. Yeah, they lied to us about consequences, but once we learned the consequences people continued and still continue to embrace them.

    As I said before, I do hope a solution is found that benefits everyone, but in this case it is hard to find empathy when 5 star players dominate pvp and then come complain that they also can't dominate pve too.
    So as you say, "yeah, they lied to us about the consequences" so we should have put our mpq life on hold until they finally admitted it almost a year later?  FOR A YEAR, they tried telling it was all in our heads.  One would think that maybe I should believe the ones that actually made the game and designed it.  Very short sighted of you.  Hind sight is 20/20, by the time anyone knew what was up, it was already too late.

    You' re the one that believed the devs over what you and everyone else clearly could see was happening in the game. Whales gonna whale though and people followed suit to keep up. That isn't hindsight, that was in the moment, people complaining that 5 stars started blowing their scaling right out of the gate.

    This should have fixed a long time ago, I'm not disagreeing with that. Sorry my lack of complete empathy when you have a top notch roster is not there. Opinions and all.
    //Removed Offensive Poem -Brigby



    Holy tinykitty, we've gone full godwin's law over a match 3 puzzle game. Yeah, I'm out. 
    Oh wow, i missed that one.  Yeah, done with this as well lol
  • ursopro
    ursopro Posts: 334 Mover and Shaker
    grunth13 said:
    Wow, so you would like to continue dominating with a low class roster, when I have built mine up.  If we ever get cl based scaling, you will never sniff that top 3 again unless you build it up.  As for playing, when my match takes me much longer just because of my scaling, that isn't fair...remember you wanted fair in pvp...well, lets make it fair in pve.  It should be equivalent.  You shouldn't gain an advantage because you soft cap.  Your argument alone goes against you...If you have to do it fastest, you have to know team synergy, you have to know how to use the characters, you have to know in which order to use the powers.  That's takes time to build.  So there is a more than time and money needed to be competitive.
    Here we go with the assumptions again... so everyone that is able to place top10 in this game is a softcapper that is bullying the 5* rosters out of rewards?

    Who said anything about PvP fairness? You either are a 5* player or forget about placing top 5, like at all unless you snipe a fresh bracket near the end. I know that and I deal with it, I'm not here complaining about how 5* players hit me after certain points threshold in order to inflate their 2k scores.

    Like I said, take it from someone that has only been playing this game for 7 months and has been placing top10 every single PvE event since I entered 3* and then 4* land, this game requires NO SKILL WHATSOEVER in order to "compete". You either spend money and/or time to progress, that's all.

    PS: My 2 scaling test results in which you probably scored 1st in both since 5* scaling and softcappers is the only thing that is keeping you from being in the top every event, right? Not assuming like you, just asking. :)

    http://i.imgur.com/urkyyi3.png
    http://i.imgur.com/5DyaZ3b.png


  • grunth13
    grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
    ursopro said:
    grunth13 said:
    Wow, so you would like to continue dominating with a low class roster, when I have built mine up.  If we ever get cl based scaling, you will never sniff that top 3 again unless you build it up.  As for playing, when my match takes me much longer just because of my scaling, that isn't fair...remember you wanted fair in pvp...well, lets make it fair in pve.  It should be equivalent.  You shouldn't gain an advantage because you soft cap.  Your argument alone goes against you...If you have to do it fastest, you have to know team synergy, you have to know how to use the characters, you have to know in which order to use the powers.  That's takes time to build.  So there is a more than time and money needed to be competitive.
    Here we go with the assumptions again... so everyone that is able to place top10 in this game is a softcapper that is bullying the 5* rosters out of rewards?

    Who said anything about PvP fairness? You either are a 5* player or forget about placing top 5, like at all unless you snipe a fresh bracket near the end. I know that and I deal with it, I'm not here complaining about how 5* players hit me after certain points threshold in order to inflate their 2k scores.

    Like I said, take it from someone that has only been playing this game for 7 months and has been placing top10 every single PvE event since I entered 3* and then 4* land, this game requires NO SKILL WHATSOEVER in order to "compete". You either spend money and/or time to progress, that's all.

    PS: My 2 scaling test results in which you probably scored 1st in both since 5* scaling and softcappers is the only thing that is keeping you from being in the top every event, right? Not assuming like you, just asking. :)

    http://i.imgur.com/urkyyi3.png
    http://i.imgur.com/5DyaZ3b.png


    You are right, I did place first in both and didn't think it was fair to the rest of you, but see, I am able to see the other side, unlike you.  As I said to ViralCore, ap to damage and damage to health needs to be equivalent.  At this point in time, damage to health goes exponential after about level 400.  Hence why 5star champs are grossly inadequate in current pve system.  Also, when PVE was capped, the 3 and 4 star rosters were the ones that were crying about how it isn't fair that 5stars could go so fast and as always, development went overboard crazy when they ratcheted it up.  As for your lame top 3 finishes when you are a 3 star roster, also tells me you have no clue about 5 star scaling.  I have played in your position and played in mine...you have not played in mine so you know nothing about this conversation since you only know 1 side.  You are not knowledgeable, through no fault in yours unless you soft cap, that you are ignorant about the other side of the game.  Until you can play both sides, your argument is suspect and useless.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    grunth13 said:
    ursopro said:
    grunth13 said:
    ViralCore said:
    grunth13 said:
    ViralCore said:
    541 Thanos, 536 Hawkey, 530 Black Panther? Why even play pve? Only mega whales have these levels. Save yourself some headaches, it takes much less time opening 40 packs.
    its iso...always the iso

    If it's ISO, you can just clear casually throughout the day. Why wait for the last min for a perfect clear?
    On a new release I would like to be competitive, just like the next guy...isn't that why you play the game?
    This is a mobile match3 game.

    The only competitive skills you need is money and/or time.
    Are you playing the same game as me?  Because in my Marvel Puzzle Quest, every event has a leader board.  Doesn't yours?  If not, you may be on the wrong forum.  If you are, I am happy that you are playing your way...which can be played sporadically.  If you are playing my way, which means you are competitive, then other things but money and time matter.  Because money will just get you the character but doesn't teach you how best to use the character, and time has no meaning in pve unless you are trying to do it in as short amount of time.  So please, lay on your wonderful wisdom on us one more time.
    Sure but money and time matter more than anything else, by quite a bit...
  • Mcjordan
    Mcjordan Posts: 82 Match Maker
    Let's just all agree that PVE scaling is rough on 5*s and PVP is rough on 3-4*s at high brackets. 

    I am a 3* player, and for PVP, I generally sign up for Lvl 6 Rewards.  It fits my level nicely, as the rewards are useful (3* covers for champing, and for PVE I can top 20 for the 4* covers).  I don't see a ton of 5* players in PVP because they generally play higher level for the rewards more relevant to them.

    I obviously don't have the data to back up this claim, but I would guess that <1% of players play with all 5* teams.  I don't think this is a widespread problem for either side (though the 5* folks may have a hard time with PVE... it's the price you pay.  PVE rewards aren't great for 5* covers anyway, right?)
  • ursopro
    ursopro Posts: 334 Mover and Shaker
    grunth13 said:
    You are right, I did place first in both and didn't think it was fair to the rest of you, but see, I am able to see the other side, unlike you.  As I said to ViralCore, ap to damage and damage to health needs to be equivalent.  At this point in time, damage to health goes exponential after about level 400.  Hence why 5star champs are grossly inadequate in current pve system.  Also, when PVE was capped, the 3 and 4 star rosters were the ones that were crying about how it isn't fair that 5stars could go so fast and as always, development went overboard crazy when they ratcheted it up.  As for your lame top 3 finishes when you are a 3 star roster, also tells me you have no clue about 5 star scaling.  I have played in your position and played in mine...you have not played in mine so you know nothing about this conversation since you only know 1 side.  You are not knowledgeable, through no fault in yours unless you soft cap, that you are ignorant about the other side of the game.  Until you can play both sides, your argument is suspect and useless.
    There you have it, I appreciate the fact that you were willing to acknowledged my point, the only reason you won the scaling test events was because: time, which as a veteran player you already put it in building you roster, or, money that you decided to spend money in order to advance progress and therefore earn more rewards, again, nothing wrong with that.

    In either case, skill had nothing to do with it, which was my argument in the first place. Also, I still not sure why are you assuming that: a) I have a 3* roster, b) I have not tried and played under 5* scaling which: no, I do not and yes, I have.

    Thanks for the conversation, after proving my point I think I'm done here.

  • grunth13
    grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
    Mcjordan said:
    Let's just all agree that PVE scaling is rough on 5*s and PVP is rough on 3-4*s at high brackets. 

    I am a 3* player, and for PVP, I generally sign up for Lvl 6 Rewards.  It fits my level nicely, as the rewards are useful (3* covers for champing, and for PVE I can top 20 for the 4* covers).  I don't see a ton of 5* players in PVP because they generally play higher level for the rewards more relevant to them.

    I obviously don't have the data to back up this claim, but I would guess that <1% of players play with all 5* teams.  I don't think this is a widespread problem for either side (though the 5* folks may have a hard time with PVE... it's the price you pay.  PVE rewards aren't great for 5* covers anyway, right?)
    5 stars may not be the majority of players,  but they are a significant part of your veterans.   If you alienate your veteran base,  you will find that the house of cards will fall.   Because your veterans are the ones spending on hp, 40 packs,  etc on a regular basis.   Now you say,  you play in scl6 because that's appropriate for you,  that's great,  but the others who are arguing that things should be tough on 5 star rosters because we have pvp are playing in scl8.
  • grunth13
    grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
    ursopro said:
    grunth13 said:
    You are right, I did place first in both and didn't think it was fair to the rest of you, but see, I am able to see the other side, unlike you.  As I said to ViralCore, ap to damage and damage to health needs to be equivalent.  At this point in time, damage to health goes exponential after about level 400.  Hence why 5star champs are grossly inadequate in current pve system.  Also, when PVE was capped, the 3 and 4 star rosters were the ones that were crying about how it isn't fair that 5stars could go so fast and as always, development went overboard crazy when they ratcheted it up.  As for your lame top 3 finishes when you are a 3 star roster, also tells me you have no clue about 5 star scaling.  I have played in your position and played in mine...you have not played in mine so you know nothing about this conversation since you only know 1 side.  You are not knowledgeable, through no fault in yours unless you soft cap, that you are ignorant about the other side of the game.  Until you can play both sides, your argument is suspect and useless.
    There you have it, I appreciate the fact that you were willing to acknowledged my point, the only reason you won the scaling test events was because: time, which as a veteran player you already put it in building you roster, or, money that you decided to spend money in order to advance progress and therefore earn more rewards, again, nothing wrong with that.

    In either case, skill had nothing to do with it, which was my argument in the first place. Also, I still not sure why are you assuming that: a) I have a 3* roster, b) I have not tried and played under 5* scaling which: no, I do not and yes, I have.

    Thanks for the conversation, after proving my point I think I'm done here.

    So you finally proved my point that 5 star scaling is grossly elevated to the point of obsurdity.  Either you deleted your 5s, or you had 1 or 2 when you were a 2 star roster... Either or you saw that it was wrong.  And both of you who showed me your placements... means nothing because there are plenty that can show you the same and only play half the event and place highly. 
  • ursopro
    ursopro Posts: 334 Mover and Shaker
    edited July 2017
    grunth13 said:
    So you finally proved my point that 5 star scaling is grossly elevated to the point of obsurdity.  Either you deleted your 5s, or you had 1 or 2 when you were a 2 star roster... Either or you saw that it was wrong.  And both of you who showed me your placements... means nothing because there are plenty that can show you the same and only play half the event and place highly. 
    But scaling was never my part of my initial argument and the chain of this whole discussion between you and me, it was all about the skill requirements for this game, which at this point and after playing many sports and games that are actually competitive, this games requires none and you haven't said anything that proves otherwise.

    Believe me, that's one of the reasons I'm playing this game, no need for meaningful skills in order to achieve high placement and I love it.

    For the other part, man, I could show you scores and stuff but why bother at this point.

    I hope you can find happiness for the Hulk event and his 127k hp.

    Peace.
  • razor14
    razor14 Posts: 37 Just Dropped In
    PVE punishes your development (5* tier) in game, that's crazy. How can anyone use a valid argument in favor of that?
    The most developed rosters have to dominate all game modes, they put more effort/money/time and they deserve to be rewarded for that.
    A 4* roster should never beat a 5* roster if they both are putting the same time/effort on an event.
    But this is just one of the wrong things mpq current has, developers need to improve a lot of things to make this game "fair" for everyone...
  • Style55
    Style55 Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    Alsmir said:
    That event was beyond awfull for me, even without scaling issues. Not giving us "turn off animations" option is a pure insult, when you consider how much of our time is wasted watching same animations for the 100000000th time.
    This is exactly why I loathe this event. I'm so tired of seeing Carnage. Pair in 4* Venom and a feeder symbiote so Carnage spam followed by whatever Venom's board shake is. 
  • ViralCore
    ViralCore Posts: 170 Tile Toppler
    grunth13 said:
    ViralCore said:
    grunth13 said:
    Then why play the game...go back to candy crush.  This game is inherently based on competition in every aspect.  That is what we do...we compete.  Hence I would like a even playing field just like every 4star wants an even playing field in pvp.

    An even playing field?  So your 541 Thanos, 536 Hawkey, 530 Black Panther leveled 5*s should have the same power level as someone else's 241 Cho Hulk, 236 Mordo, and 230 Ghost Rider?
    It should have the same ap to damage ratio, that would be fair, with also a same damage to health ratio.  Not your ridiculous analogies.

    Because 4*s can deal 20k damage of passive damage? Or 30k of passive aoe? I know several players who regularly get top 2 (for new char releases) and are in the same boat.
  • BlackWidower
    BlackWidower Posts: 250 Mover and Shaker
    I actually found this round really easy.  Boosted Carol and Rhulk add Medusa and they were taken out in seconds.  Focus on the symbiote, Carol getting free black and match damage, plus Medusa getting green and pink AP every ten seconds.

    In another circumstance, this could have been much worse, for me.  I know I was lucky. Still had a **** start day and ended up 30th.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Why hasn't this been moved to events or feedback?
  • BlackWidower
    BlackWidower Posts: 250 Mover and Shaker
    fmftint said:
    Why hasn't this been moved to events or feedback?
    New forum structure :)
    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/65965/psa-forum-structure-our-plan-moving-forward#latest
  • Ruinate
    Ruinate Posts: 528 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2017
    ursopro said:
    I guess the biggest skill shot this game has is team synergy which is a moot point thanks to the boosted lists.

    Also, don't' assume man, it makes you looks silly when you're wrong. Have a nice day.

    http://i.imgur.com/P2pCByp.png




    Did you really call team building a skill shot?  Are you just bringing terminology from other games here to seem more knowledgeable...? because you look really silly right now.  Skill shot doesn't mean what you think it means and they don't exist in Marvel Puzzle Quest.  I'm going to assume bronze in League of Legends.

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