NorthernPolarity wrote: I think you're seriously grasping at straws if you think that Psylocke is more powerful than Storm in situations that actually matter. All Psylocke is good for is seed killing and a quick attack tile if you even have room on your team for that. Storm actually supports the dominant character in this metagame (LadyThor) extremely well in PvE. Bring a LadyThor / Storm / Loki team in against a 395 node in PvP. Storm probably ends up taking a third of her health in match damage, but mistress / lightning storm probably ends up accelerating LadyThor greatly and helping a ton at winning you the game. Bring Psylocke along in a node like that, she'll deal 2k damage to a 16k HP Juggernaut, and fall over and die. Yes, the HP is clearly a weakness in Storm, but the AP generation on her abilities makes her far more useful in situations that actually matter (not stomping level 30 seed teams) than the characters that I've listed above.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Maybe that's the difference then? She is by far the second best support for 4or, and given how 4or defines the current metagame, she's an A lister in PvE. Just ran the second level of the Gauntlet, and every time X-Force was locked out, I would sub in Mohawk and run Mohawk / GT / (Loki or Hood). She did her usual work of accelerating ridiculous amounts of AP after a surge, and I ended up getting second place in it because of it. I doubt any other single character would have been as good as Mohawk when it came to that situation (speedrunning 250+ nodes).
Phantron wrote: I don't get what's this obsession with Storm being a good support character. If you're really that obsessed about collecting charged tile you just bring X Force with Surgical Strike to collect some hilarious amount of AP (and if Surgical is on black/green that's usually even better anyway). If you can't use X Force, Thor isn't even that good against high level PvE opponent because she sure isn't going to be downing the first person by herself. Storm isn't going to do that either so that's 2 out of 3 guys not doing anything. She's not as bad as people claims but she's definitely not very good either. Like Psylocke the limit of her contribution is not to get in the way of someone else if you're forced to use her, and Psylocke can at least sort of tank when you have to use her.
dkffiv wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: Maybe that's the difference then? She is by far the second best support for 4or, and given how 4or defines the current metagame, she's an A lister in PvE. Just ran the second level of the Gauntlet, and every time X-Force was locked out, I would sub in Mohawk and run Mohawk / GT / (Loki or Hood). She did her usual work of accelerating ridiculous amounts of AP after a surge, and I ended up getting second place in it because of it. I doubt any other single character would have been as good as Mohawk when it came to that situation (speedrunning 250+ nodes). Is that with ISO boosts? Without boost she's relatively slow and if she doesn't have someone to hide behind there's a decent chance she'll die before she gets rolling. I came up with a Magneto Storm Falcon team and it failed miserably because it took way too long to get off the ground and even when it was rolling, the damage wasn't very good. Would you be just as well off if you brought a team up of her green and a third more useful character?
NorthernPolarity wrote: Um, what? Have you even tried mohawk / thoress in PvE? Surge -> Smite the first guy -> Lightning Storm either nets you enough AP to do another surge or smite, or it gives you the yellow to do mistress, which leads to charge tiles, which leads to more matches and lets you either stun or kill the second guy. The whole point is that ladythor does so much damage by herself that all you need to do is keep the board filled with blue / red, which Storm does magnificently. This is much faster than any alternative for a node with Wolvie (except Whales, I guess?). And yes, X-Force is better like I said earlier, but Storm is a fine second-string for scenarios where you need to speed kill like the gauntlet today.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Ben Grimm wrote: I think of her as bottom two 3*s. There's nothing she does well that somebody else doesn't do better, except maybe spam up the board with tiles. I only use her when she's required, and only reluctantly then - even though mine is 166, I was still using the loaner frequently in my final push in her PVP. She's terrible, she shares all colors with X-Force, she's incredibly fragile, and she needs to be completely redesigned, maybe with a passive like Hawkeye's Avoid used to be to keep her from dying immediately all the time. Lumping mohawk in the same category as beast and doc ock is just straight up ridiculous. All three of her abilities were decent on defense in PvP during her featured tournament: yellow / green has the comeback factor of causing AI cascades, and there were plenty of times where a resolved hailstorm dealt 5-6k damage to my team, compared to the almost no damage that Spiderman, beast, or doc ock have dealt me in the entire time I've played them. Yes, shes bad in PvP, but she has a much stronger role in PvE. In fact, she's probably the second best support character for LadyThor in PvE after X-Force: resolving a mohawk yellow or green after a surge typically nets you or leads to the netting of an insane amount of AP. We all get that you guys think that if they aren't X-Force / LadyThor tier, they're trash. But to go to the lengths that you two are going is just absurd. Here is a list of characters that I would rather have Storm over in PvE: Beast, Doc Ock, Spidey, Ragnarok, Squirrel Girl, Gamora, DareDevil, Psylocke, Colossus, Sentry. This places Mohawk in at least solidly mid-tier in PvE, which is a lot better than you can say for actual trash characters like Beast.
Ben Grimm wrote: I think of her as bottom two 3*s. There's nothing she does well that somebody else doesn't do better, except maybe spam up the board with tiles. I only use her when she's required, and only reluctantly then - even though mine is 166, I was still using the loaner frequently in my final push in her PVP. She's terrible, she shares all colors with X-Force, she's incredibly fragile, and she needs to be completely redesigned, maybe with a passive like Hawkeye's Avoid used to be to keep her from dying immediately all the time.
Phantron wrote: Hailstorm is useless against CDs because unless it covered up every single tile on the board (which requires 2 casting, and that's 18 black and more than enough to win the game with quite a few guys) the CD just created on whatever isn't covered up and there's no guaranteed whether that spot is going to be good or bad for you. It's slightly better for strike/protect tiles but generally those aren't created in such massive numbers that would be affected by Hailstorm coverage. Unless you've a scenario like the opponent has Blade and you're not matching red it wouldn't cover enough, and if you've that scenario you probably should be more worried about matching red than hoping you can cover up enough red tiles. Hailstorm is very good against Caltrops but that's about it, though since Kishus are one of the strongest goon in the game this is not terrible, but only if you're fighting Kishus in the first place.
Mattfal wrote: I only have 6 xforce covers and 2 4thor covers. Also only have 6 black panther covers and 5 lthor covers. That eliminates a lot of powers that would normally be used over mostorm right off the bat.
dkffiv wrote: Mattfal wrote: I only have 6 xforce covers and 2 4thor covers. Also only have 6 black panther covers and 5 lthor covers. That eliminates a lot of powers that would normally be used over mostorm right off the bat. Are you saying that you have a covered Storm but not anyone else? If that were the case I would still say don't level Storm because she lacks the punch to carry a team. If she is the highest leveled member of your team she is going to get punched in the face and dropped before she can even do anything. In all but potentially the case where you are pairing her with 4hor, I can't really come up with a scenario where she shines.
Mattfal wrote: I have other 4 3* max covered or mostly covered (cap, hood, patch, a few others) but other than patch and blade, no green coverage and other than hood, blade, or torch, no black coverage. Have 12 mostorm covers currently
dkffiv wrote: Mattfal wrote: I have other 4 3* max covered or mostly covered (cap, hood, patch, a few others) but other than patch and blade, no green coverage and other than hood, blade, or torch, no black coverage. Have 12 mostorm covers currently Patch will serve you much better than Storm
dkffiv wrote: Her black is somewhat useful in that if the CD is forced to be placed at the top of the screen it is much more likely to be match-able than if gets buried in a "stale" corner. I used to use OBW 1* Storm (and a dps. Cannot remember which but it was a dps) on goon nodes even when they scaled to 200+.