Anyone Else Joining the Nerf Thanos Movement?

carrion_pigeons

Wumpushunter said:

#never nerfs

why not ask for buffs to bring other characters up to thanos level?

Because that doesn't solve the problem.  Thanos is too strong for the game as a whole, and playing the game with him is less fun than not.  Bringing everyone else up to his level would literally destroy the fun of the game.

babinro

Thanos appears to tick all the boxes for the reason why OML was nerfed...he's even stronger and more deserving of a nerf than OML if that matters.

I agree with the OP that the emphasis on passive damage, while fun, does take away a bit from the strategic feel of the game.

Teams like Bolt/Thanos/Strange or Panther/Thanos/Strange are pretty much on autopilot.   Great for giving a sense of power but not opening much option for tactics.  Especially when the only real counter is to stun, stun again and keep stunning.  No wonder MBW stun Team Up is the best in the game by a mile.

Objectively speaking I will say that these characters all feel balanced against one another.  I don't actually feel Thanos is OP and I never thought OML was OP.  But even with that personal opinion it would not bother me to see Thanos' black passive toned down while enhancing his purple significantly to make it a possible contender with other skills.  You could even cut back on Thanos' health a tad.

For what its worth I have several 5's around levels 457-465 and they include Thanos so this is coming from someone who also uses him as their main.

Lytes420

They nerfed oml mainly because he was a huge healthpack saver.thanos is the exact opposite of that.the developers are always looking for ways to make money,and there are many who will buy healthpacks,especially on new release events when speed is a huge factor and for those trying to climb quickly in pvp.for those reasons I don't see them nerfing thanos anytime soon.

Phumade

They will nerf thanos when a new character powerset turbo charges the black or green.

In all honesty nerfs and buffs are driven by the devs pref in game mechanics.  If you look at the bug reports you can see pretty consistently see what types of new powers are coming down the pipe line.  

DyingLegend

I hate nerf this character posts......

JHawkInc

I'd rather see other 5*s buffed so there isn't a small subset that people go to for PVP.

And I'd rather see more variety in PVE so someone like Thanos isn't the "one true answer" to things. More nodes like the Magneto/Hood node (just the two of them), or one heavily buffed "mini-boss" (like Hulk), or the Amadeus' Inferno node that's a wave against Red Hulk, She-Hulk, and 3* Hulk (three mini-boss fights, basically). More variety, where other strategies (like "someone other than Thanos") are more viable. Like the Kaecilius fights.

I'm starting to not like Thanos, because he's boring to play, but you kinda need him, because hitting all of the nodes can be boring WITHOUT him. So rather than nerf Thanos, maybe just try to flesh the game out so the game is broader, and Thanos covers less of it.

zaku

Phumade said:

They will nerf thanos when a new character powerset turbo charges the black or green.

In all honesty nerfs and buffs are driven by the devs pref in game mechanics.  If you look at the bug reports you can see pretty consistently see what types of new powers are coming down the pipe line.  

Elaborate?

mr_X

Not really a fan of nerfs but the game has gotten a lot more boring now with him in pvp and pve. 

Personally I do not use him in pve as its just dum or deadpool daily. " dat required character" one match. "The big enchilda" two matches.  Kind of undermines the whole part of the game that I still find fun - finding and using new and fun combos in each event. But I no longer play pve so hardcore as before. 

Though in pve I can choose not to use him in pvp this is not really feasible. Every team is virtually Thanos and Bp. Just as bad or even worse than it was ever when Oml and Pheonix were everywhere. So the increased diversity legitimation of the oml nerf looks now very disingenuous in this light. Running your other 5s at a similar level will result in a lot more hits. 

To keep the game interesting I do agree we need more diversity at the 5* level. Only real way to achieve this is make it easier for us to get more 5s. The mess of classics contributes a lot here. For a lot of players these characters are just impossible to finish now.

I know this from first hand experience with 2 awaiting one cover and 4 more less than 4 but be as well be a million as they seem unfinishable now. However instead of nerfing oml due to powercreep a lot of these old 5s really need to be buffed. 5 cap is a great example here. Worst 5 in the game to a fantastic character who is fun to use only problem no one can finish him now.  

Though 5cap is still underpowered compared to thanos etc.

acescracked

C'mon guys. I *just* pulled my 13th Thanos cover.  Can we table the nerf talk for like 6 months please??

Thanks!!

Vhailorx

Thanos is no more boring to play to than any other character people.  The unique mechanics on his purple actually make him more complex than a lot of other characters.  

But ANY character is boring in mpq if you use them all the time.  And thanos has been king of the hill for 5 months now (if you are a whale).  Of course he gets repetitive after that much time.   Oml/phoenix was also boring if ut was your only viable team for months. Let's ditch the 'nerf' talk and focus on pushing demi to stop releasing noticeably weak 5*s like SL and doc oc.

Phumade

zaku said:

Phumade said:

They will nerf thanos when a new character powerset turbo charges the black or green.

In all honesty nerfs and buffs are driven by the devs pref in game mechanics.  If you look at the bug reports you can see pretty consistently see what types of new powers are coming down the pipe line.  

Elaborate?

Just watch for the various bug reports.  Every bug is generally linked to a new power that is getting released in 3 months.  Remember when Vision CD tiles were having issues or when various powers suddenly broke?  Those were directly related to BB yellow and CD black.  Every new powerset is generally tested in game before the new release and you can see evidence of that from bug reports.

The decision to nerf/buff a character is made politically, but the actual implementation of a nerf/buff can be tracked based on the bug reports and spoiler reports.  Most people knew about C&D for a few months before release.  It should have been really obvious to everyone reading the spoiler that OML was gonna get turbo charged by C&D.

Avalanche Kincaid

Tell you the truth Thanos is not that hard to beat in PvP and I wouldnt even care if he got nerfed.  14K to remaining team is'nt that great in PVE when moonstone has 70K+ health.  If everyone had a covered Blackbolt you would see him in every match, so if you want to nerf somebody it would be him (don't nerf anyone and especially not BB).  Check out the top spots in PVE, most of the 450+ have blackbolt and strange.

byc

I called Thanos nerfing weeks ago when OML was nerfed.

acescracked

carrion pigeons said:
 Thanos is too strong for the game as a whole, and playing the game with him is less fun than not. 

And you know this how? What level is your Thanos and how do you have his covers set? What level ranges of Thanos do you play against in your PvP climb?

I have to fight 450 to 470 Thanos in PvP with my 456 oml & 453 phx and he's one of the easiest 5* to beat. Just takes longer because of higher health pool.

D4Ni13

No, absolutely not. Stop this kind of threads. I don't want any more nerfs. 

And Thanos is very very overrated. He's so easily defeated in PvP. Only good on offence for time trial, but need health packs to sustain. Not worth the nerf IMO.

Wumpushunter

carrion pigeons said:

Wumpushunter said:

#never nerfs

why not ask for buffs to bring other characters up to thanos level?

Because that doesn't solve the problem.  Thanos is too strong for the game as a whole, and playing the game with him is less fun than not.  Bringing everyone else up to his level would literally destroy the fun of the game.

And more nerfing especially in the hard to reach 5 star land would destroy any confidence left in the game. No achievement would be permanent anything can be ripped away for any reason. OML did not go over well and it was the first in a while. A second 5 star nerf this soon could do irreparable harm to game's reputation.

Jarvind

Can we stop pretending that OML was nerfed for any other reason than he saves health packs and would've been crazy with Cloak & Dagger?

Also, while Thanos is very quick in PVP on offense, he's pretty much just a meat shield on defense; green is easy to deny and purple is mostly just a nuisance. Compare that to the Hawkeye/Coulson teams I've been attempting to fight this week that utterly violate you the second one countdown goes off.

He's very quick in PVE as well, but will require you to either use lots of health packs, pair him only with healers, or kill lots of second-stringers as his passive beats down your team node after node.

He's a very good character, but I'd say his strengths are sufficiently counterbalanced that he does not require a nerf.

D4Ni13

Jarvind said:

Can we stop pretending that OML was nerfed for any other reason than he saves health packs and would've been crazy with Cloak & Dagger?

Also, while Thanos is very quick in PVP on offense, he's pretty much just a meat shield on defense; green is easy to deny and purple is mostly just a nuisance. Compare that to the Hawkeye/Coulson teams I've been attempting to fight this week that utterly violate you the second one countdown goes off.

He's very quick in PVE as well, but will require you to either use lots of health packs, pair him only with healers, or kill lots of second-stringers as his passive beats down your team node after node.

He's a very good character, but I'd say his strengths are sufficiently counterbalanced that he does not require a nerf.

Couldn't agree more. Spot on.

ZootSax

I'm not sure I understand the comparisons between Thanos and OML.  As a 3-->4 transitioner, I literally NEVER see 5* Thanos outside of champed 5* rosters that MMR lets me target for some reason.  I only see 3* Thanos once or twice an event, tops, unless he's boosted and even that is only early on when it's clear that someone was just using him on seeds.  On the other hand, I saw OML pretty consistently at every level opponent from finish my 2-->3 transition until he got nerfed...and even now I see him far more often than Thanos (3 or 5).  I only have 4 covers on my 5* Thanos and only use my 3* Thanos during lightning rounds, so this won't really affect me regardless, but this call for a nerf seems odd.  A stale 5* environment seems to be less Thanos' fault than the way the game is currently set up...

atomzed

Please don't nerf 5*. They are a pain to collect, and it will be an insult (again) if they nerf thanos. 

Pve: so he is used in trivial nodes. How many people can use the 5* thanos throughout? it's a lot of health pack usage. even for me, with 6 champ 5*, i use the 3* thanos instead. except for hard core pve specialists, most of the player base won't use thanos so much. i dare say that strange and BB are a much sustainable combo in pve than thanos-panther. 

pvp: yes, we see a lot of thanos and bp. but i don't think it's a thanos OP-ness, but due to the great synergy between thanos and BP. 

let's look at thanos black. it can at best trigger 2x in a single game. if you make it too weak, it's useless. thanos purple, yes it's game changing but on defence you can wait for it to go away before you fire your moves. Thanos green, while it deals a lot of dmg, it's terribly inconsistent. i often see AI matching it after it cast it. even when i uses it, a terrible cascade can happen and it gets destroyed.