Hoarding packs?

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  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    babar3355 said:

    I like your misguided confidence that you will likely receive a masterpiece. Their have been nearly 6000 cards opened and recorded on the drop rates page with a total of 0 masterpieces so far.  I just wouldn't get your hopes up if you are only opening 250 cards or so my friend.
    Although nearly 6000 cards from all packs have been recorded, and no masterpieces were opened except in elite packs, the number of non-elite cards opened which could have been masterpieces is only 375 (as indicated in the "Samples" column next to the main drop rate figures on the "Summary & Interactive" tab).

    0 from 375 is much less telling than 0 from 6000, but it's still enough to be 95% sure that the masterpiece drop rate from normal KLD packs is lower than 0.32%.

    I hope we'll get a lot more data on MP drop rates (amongst other things) when AER exclusives are made non-exclusive, and everyone opens their hoarded packs.  Bulk pack opening data can be shared by posting a video, or entering  the data directly in the bulk open tab of the spreadsheet.  We need your data - please don't let it go to waste. :)
  • Muche
    Muche Posts: 57 Match Maker
    Personally, I stopped opening KLD/AER packs when I got all uncommons I was interested in. I plan to open them when they announce details of their duplicate cards solution, in case unopened possible duplicates will be more valuable than already opened duplicates. Thus, most likely, I will have couple of days time between the prerelease announcement and the release itself to decide.

  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    Muche said:
    ...in case unopened possible duplicates will be more valuable than already opened duplicates...

    This is exactly where I'm at right now. I'm not opening another 5-card pack until they release their duplicate conversion system. I don't want to get any of my dupes taken away in some misguided effort to level the field, and I know I can at least keep ahold of the cards in the packs I haven't opened yet.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Matthew said:
    This is exactly where I'm at right now. I'm not opening another 5-card pack until they release their duplicate conversion system. I don't want to get any of my dupes taken away in some misguided effort to level the field, and I know I can at least keep ahold of the cards in the packs I haven't opened yet.
    Dyou know that hadn't even occured to me.... I'm just holding onto my packs until the exclusive cards are unlocked, but that sounds like another really solid reason not to open packs right now.

    Brigby said about a month ago that we can expect this [duplicate system] to be implemented within the next couple of months. So, only another month to go.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    Volrak said:
    babar3355 said:

    I like your misguided confidence that you will likely receive a masterpiece. Their have been nearly 6000 cards opened and recorded on the drop rates page with a total of 0 masterpieces so far.  I just wouldn't get your hopes up if you are only opening 250 cards or so my friend.
    Although nearly 6000 cards from all packs have been recorded, and no masterpieces were opened except in elite packs, the number of non-elite cards opened which could have been masterpieces is only 375 (as indicated in the "Samples" column next to the main drop rate figures on the "Summary & Interactive" tab).

    0 from 375 is much less telling than 0 from 6000, but it's still enough to be 95% sure that the masterpiece drop rate from normal KLD packs is lower than 0.32%.

    I hope we'll get a lot more data on MP drop rates (amongst other things) when AER exclusives are made non-exclusive, and everyone opens their hoarded packs.  Bulk pack opening data can be shared by posting a video, or entering  the data directly in the bulk open tab of the spreadsheet.  We need your data - please don't let it go to waste. :)

      I hadn't realized that only around 400 of the recorded packs were post Masterpiece... sorry about the confusion.

    Volrak, I currently have about 130 KLD packs I plan on opening and recording in the sheet. Am I correct that if I choose to use the bulk set I would just use column E currently?  Is this implying no one has used the sheet for a bulk opening yet or am I misreading it?


  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    babar3355 said:

    Volrak, I currently have about 130 KLD packs I plan on opening and recording in the sheet. Am I correct that if I choose to use the bulk set I would just use column E currently?  Is this implying no one has used the sheet for a bulk opening yet or am I misreading it?
    Exactly right, nobody's recorded any bulk open data since that sheet was set up.  If you'd like to be the first then you can go for it.  I expect the sheet to see most use after the new set comes out and/or the dupe system changes, as per the discussions above.
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2017
    FOR THE HOARD!!!

    This is the correct game for that, right??

    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Matthew said:
    FOR THE HOARD!!!

    This is the correct game for that, right??

    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".

    Shhhh. You're not supposed to give them ideas.
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    madwren said:
    Matthew said:
    FOR THE HOARD!!!

    This is the correct game for that, right??

    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".

    Shhhh. You're not supposed to give them ideas.
    Oh come on, you know they don't actually read these threads  ;)
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    Matthew said:
    FOR THE HOARD!!!

    This is the correct game for that, right??

    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
    Why would this even be a bad idea?
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    span_argoman said:
    Matthew said:
    FOR THE HOARD!!!

    This is the correct game for that, right??

    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
    Why would this even be a bad idea?
    Because I'm proud of my 44 Hitch Recluses, dammit, and they can have them when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers!!
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    span_argoman said:
    Matthew said:
    FOR THE HOARD!!!

    This is the correct game for that, right??

    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
    Why would this even be a bad idea?
    I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing. In fact, it wouldn't hurt me nearly so badly as it would some other players. I only stopped converting every dupe I got about a month ago. There are some people who have like a year's worth of dupes, and it would be pretty brutal for them.

    Call me selfish if you want, but I'd like to reap the rewards of my (belated) streak of patience on my own terms, and not at the whims of the completely out of tune development team.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    Why is everyone so hung up on things being fair? Why does a game this competitive have to be that fair? 
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    shteev said:
    Because I'm proud of my 44 Hitch Recluses, dammit, and they can have them when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers!!
    They pried it out of mine when I accidentally brushed the convert button some time at the start of the year. But I was proud of my massive common duplicates too!

    Would have been good data for the recent discussion on whether there is a weighted distribution for cards of the same rarity but ah well.
     

    @Matthew
    I can see how that logic flows. Nothing wrong with that. It's just personally for me I'm hoping that if the developers don't have to worry about the mountains of duplicates stored up over the past year, they can give better conversion rates for duplicates moving forward.

    For example at my accidental conversion I had nearly 7,000 common + uncommon duplicates, 373 duplicate rares and 28 duplicate Mythics. That was since my previous accidental conversion at the start of BFZ/OGW. Top coalition players and QB grinders probably have 10,000+ duplicates considering they used to get free Fat Packs for top rankings.

    Perhaps it's wishful thinking but I would hope some give and take would be of help.

    Do note that they mentioned it will only be coming in a couple of months so optimistically speaking you might have to hold those packs for at least three more months considering it likely isn't their priority compared to developing the new set, fixing the matchmaking system and finetuning the Jewels system. But it should be fine as long as you don't need any particular cards from KLD + AER.
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    span_argoman said:

    Do note that they mentioned it will only be coming in a couple of months so optimistically speaking you might have to hold those packs for at least three more months considering it likely isn't their priority compared to developing the new set, fixing the matchmaking system and finetuning the Jewels system. But it should be fine as long as you don't need any particular cards from KLD + AER.
    Yup, I have been keeping that in mind. It's part of why I have no compunctions about letting my stack get bigger. The only mythic from the KLD block that I don't have but would actually really like to get is Lightning Runner. As @shteev says, it'd make winning in 5 rounds a lot easier.

    For the older sets, I have long since given up on getting specific cards I want from them, and I manage to do just fine with the ones I do have. I have every common card and I'm only missing 3 uncommons (all of which I can do without). And with 46 mythics and 172 rares, I have enough at my disposal to handle whatever objectives come my way. Basically, I'm at a point now where it does not hurt me to just accumulate more stuff to use later on.

    That being said, I will probably open Amonkhet packs for maybe the first month or so, just to try to rake in all of the commons and uncommons. But I'm not touching anything from this new block after that first 30 days if they haven't pushed the dupe conversion system by then.
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    Matthew said:
    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
    @Brigby has already said they will convert all hoarded duplicates and reset to zero to level the playing field when this is rolled out, so this isn't a conspiracy, it is a reality. I wish I could find a thread where he said it. 
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    ifsandbuts said:
    Matthew said:
    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
    @Brigby has already said they will convert all hoarded duplicates and reset to zero to level the playing field when this is rolled out, so this isn't a conspiracy, it is a reality. I wish I could find a thread where he said it. 
    Maybe you can't find it, because he hasn't said it?
    The only thing I remember (and can find) is:



    1. System Addressing Duplicates
    As of right now, all the information I currently possess is simply high-level details. The specific details, for example whether it's a conversion process or crafting system, etc, are still in development. I will say though, that I'll make sure to inquire about what will happen to all the cards some players have been hoarding once this system has been implemented, and update the community once I find out.
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    ifsandbuts said:
    Matthew said:
    But seriously folks. Hold onto your unopened packs until they release their duplicate conversion system (and possibly even until they work out the inevitable bugs in that initial release). I would not be even a little bit surprised if they decided to play God by converting everyone's dupes to runes just to "level the playing field".
    @Brigby has already said they will convert all hoarded duplicates and reset to zero to level the playing field when this is rolled out, so this isn't a conspiracy, it is a reality. I wish I could find a thread where he said it. 
    Maybe you can't find it, because he hasn't said it?

    Actually, he did mention that it wouldn't be fair and that everyone would need a baseline when the conversation came up after the last update. It was nested in one of the many, many complaint threads that update birthed.

    I remember the thread was in the vein of "They took away our rewards, but can't even give us a viable use for dupe cards."

    But wth, hold onto your dupes anyways. Just don't come back and say it is unfair because he telegraphed this over a month ago.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mainloop25 said:
    Why is everyone so hung up on things being fair? Why does a game this competitive have to be that fair? 
    Um, what? Competition HAS to be fair, doesn't it? Unfair games can certainly be challenging and exciting (especially in this game where you can potentially beat an AI opponent with vastly superior cards through gameplay alone), but I'm not sure you ever feel like you are competing against someone who has an unfair advantage

    Competing, to me, means trying to win, and to win, you'll need the tools to be able to do it. Just showing up to the tournament with just any old rubbish isn't competing. I can't compete for the top in NoP because I just dont have enough of those high damage/casting cost ratio cards to consistently clear the red node. I try and score as much as I can, but I'm not a competitor.

    Having said all that, I googled 'compete' and came up with these 3 definitions:

    - strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others.
    -     be able to rival another or others.
    -     take part in a contest.

    So, maybe I'm just arguing semantics...
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    My thoughts on dupe cards is not much different than what they are doing now by offering uncommons for 25 crystals. My train of thought is this, directly asking the Devs to create some kind of replacement doesn't seem fair as it takes away the random pack mechanics this game has and replaces it with a pandering to players policy. What fun is that? But..... I do recognize that players shpuld be able to buy cards individually like they do in the paper format. So... why couldn't the dupes have a crystal point value? Say Commons are .25 of a crystal's value uncommon are .75, rares are 1.5, Mythics are... heck if I know honestly, you guys are far better at the math used in this game but you get the gist.anyways, utilizing a 24 hour online rotation of say..... X commons, X uncommon, X rares and maybe X mythics... and you can purchase the converted card slash crystals into a card of your choice from that list rotation  should you see one you don't have.i think this will appeal to both new and older  players

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