Coalition rewards are in!

gromph99

The problem is the new player cant catch up under this new system reward.

I started to play this game in mid ecember and i have been able to join a top 10 coalition after 2 months only with only 100$ of purchase

With this new system, its harder to get reward to get pack, u get less card from the pack, the reqard are ridiculous for bronze and silver etc...

I would never have been able to join a good coalition with this new reward system.

In all games, u need to reward top player with better prize cause they r investing more in the games and u need to reward them with something they want.

With rare as a reward for top 10 coalition its not worth the time to get a dup or something unplayable.

So, where is the motivation for top player to keep playing?

Playing an event during 4 to 5 days for 30 gem is not worth it. Its not even 10% of a new pack where u have little chance to get a masterpiece card.

buscemi

gromph99 wrote:

The problem is the new player cant catch up under this new system reward.

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So, where is the motivation for top player to keep playing?

So who is affected least by these negative changes? Perhaps a player who has been playing for a long time and already has a solid card collection, but hasn't managed to get himself on a top 10 coalition?

DaisukeK

Degrading the top rewards, devaluating the currency, and decreasing the drop rate...
WAY too obvious.
I'm a big fan of this game, and am so sad to see a lot of players leaving the game.

span_argoman

buscemi wrote:

gromph99 wrote:

The problem is the new player cant catch up under this new system reward.

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So, where is the motivation for top player to keep playing?

So who is affected least by these negative changes? Perhaps a player who has been playing for a long time and already has a solid card collection, but hasn't managed to get himself on a top 10 coalition?

Hahaha funny.

Who gets affected? Let's go one by one.

1. Crystals from Progression rewards in events being diminished? Everyone.
2. Big Boxes turning to Premium Packs and hence giving less cards per crystal (or technically costing you more crystals per card)? Everyone.
3. Coalition Ranking rewards being reduced at the top while more or less the same for the rest? The top coalitions.

Shteev, you just admitted in another topic that you have the luxury of stockpiling crystals to wait for the next set. You can't deny that the free packs and guaranteed mythics you get each week play a contributing factor in getting there. I guess the developers chose to nerf that too.

But yeah it must be a terrible feeling going from ~3 mythics a week to ~1 mythic a week. I could see it being up to 60 Jewels for RAtC but not guaranteed mythics.

And yeah, I agree that the devaluation of crystals and the reduction in crystals earned individually for each event is hurting everyone. But I'm waiting for people to give specifics how newer players are being hurt by the changes to Coalition ranking rewards which based on the screenshot in the first post is the point of this topic no?

Sarahschmara

Little late to the conversation:

Span_argoman: in addition to the points made by other people above, I think the new reduced coalition rewards hinder new players because they don't get the prizes.

One of my players joined our teams two weeks ago and was super-excited to work the way up the rankings to our top ten team, imagine the disappointment when the new prizes structures were revealed.

The free mythics (and boosters) for top ten gave people something to work towards AND helped fill out their card collection.

buscemi

span_argoman wrote:

Shteev, you just admitted in another topic that you have the luxury of stockpiling crystals to wait for the next set.

Addressed here:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61036&p=651911

It's not a luxury that I can afford because I have so many great cards... it's merely good economic sense because my returns are so poor.

babar3355

span_argoman wrote:

buscemi wrote:

gromph99 wrote:

The problem is the new player cant catch up under this new system reward.

...

So, where is the motivation for top player to keep playing?

So who is affected least by these negative changes? Perhaps a player who has been playing for a long time and already has a solid card collection, but hasn't managed to get himself on a top 10 coalition?

Hahaha funny.

Who gets affected? Let's go one by one.

1. Crystals from Progression rewards in events being diminished? Everyone.
2. Big Boxes turning to Premium Packs and hence giving less cards per crystal (or technically costing you more crystals per card)? Everyone.
3. Coalition Ranking rewards being reduced at the top while more or less the same for the rest? The top coalitions.

Shteev, you just admitted in another topic that you have the luxury of stockpiling crystals to wait for the next set. You can't deny that the free packs and guaranteed mythics you get each week play a contributing factor in getting there. I guess the developers chose to nerf that too.

But yeah it must be a terrible feeling going from ~3 mythics a week to ~1 mythic a week. I could see it being up to 60 Jewels for RAtC but not guaranteed mythics.

And yeah, I agree that the devaluation of crystals and the reduction in crystals earned individually for each event is hurting everyone. But I'm waiting for people to give specifics how newer players are being hurt by the changes to Coalition ranking rewards which based on the screenshot in the first post is the point of this topic no?

The developers decided to create coalitions to add a competitive element to the game. The best players join top coalitions and compete for worthy prizes. 30 crystals is not a worthy prize. 1/13th of a likely dupe mythic? This would possibly be a decent prize if the masterpiece cards were actually amazing. But is their a single card in their better than Olivia or Deploy? Not even close in my opinion. And about half are utter trash... ie. lightning greeves, ornithopter, etc.

Regardless, my biggest complaint is the individual prizes for top players. You outcompete 999 other players and you get 1/13th of a mythic, a rare, 30 crystals, and a booster? What a joke... I lost a game to a crash this week that cost me top 5... and I didn't even care. I got 1/14th of a mythic, a rare, 20 crystals and a booster... whoopdie doo.

span_argoman

Sarahschmara wrote:

Little late to the conversation:

Span_argoman: in addition to the points made by other people above, I think the new reduced coalition rewards hinder new players because they don't get the prizes.

One of my players joined our teams two weeks ago and was super-excited to work the way up the rankings to our top ten team, imagine the disappointment when the new prizes structures were revealed.

The free mythics (and boosters) for top ten gave people something to work towards AND helped fill out their card collection.

And the whole point of the Mana Jewels is that they are now able to award a partial mythic as opposed to it being a binary 1/0 Mythic awarded. Now I instinctively want to agree that 30 Jewels awarded is puny compared to having to spend 400 Jewels on one Elite pack. Hopefully they can look at increasing the amount of Jewels given to the top coalitions to create more incentives to play hard as is desired, but the principle of using Jewels to be able to award 'partial' Mythics is not a bad idea. Just badly executed.

Look at the difference between the top 2, top 10 and top 25 coalitions in the past using binary Mythic rewards. In a week, the top 2 coalitions used to get 2 guaranteed + ~1 additional Mythic from packs, top 10 would have been approximately 1 + 0.7 and then the top 25 would have been 0 + 0.7. Then the top 50 gets 0 + 0.7, and top 100 maybe 0 + 0.6. It's basically all pretty flat from top 25 onwards. Or put another way, it's a cliff after the top 10.

In a game where the power gap between (some) Mythics and the other cards are so vast, that makes a whole lot of difference.

Yeah if you can get up there to the top 10, you probably already have a pretty decent collection. I have been pushing for the idea that players at lower tiers get more card packs to round out their collection whereas Platinum and perhaps Gold players can get rewards to help them chase the elusive few cards they do not have. This Mana Jewel system provides a framework to do that. Give Bronze and Silver players more card packs while Platinum and Gold can focus on farming more Jewels instead. Unfortunately they gutted the rewards for all tiers instead of tailoring the rewards to each tier. And that I object to.

The issue about reduced rewards is not specific to coalition rewards. Progression rewards are hit. Individual event ranking rewards are hit. This is an across the board nerf. I think we should address it as such instead of focusing solely on coalition rewards.

@Babar3355, my reply to you is the same as to Sarahschmara. And yes I agree that overall the rewards now are really lacklustre including coalition ranking rewards. But I don't mourn the disappearance of the guaranteed Mythic. Just the reward ratio the developers decided on for this new patch.

buscemi wrote:

span_argoman wrote:

Shteev, you just admitted in another topic that you have the luxury of stockpiling crystals to wait for the next set.

Addressed here:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61036&p=651911

It's not a luxury that I can afford because I have so many great cards... it's merely good economic sense because my returns are so poor.

It is partly a luxury you can afford because you have great cards. Without great cards you cannot continue to perform well in events, whether individual or coalition ones. People keep spending their crystals because they need to build up their collection to the level that it can compete with those at the top in event performance consistency.

Thanks to the relatively high power level of SOI/EM Mythics and the Crystal reserve you build up to spend at the release of each new set, your card collection is obviously advantaged. The only reason why you're saying the returns are poor is because the power level of KLD/AER relative to SOI/EM isn't significant enough.

If this were still SOI/EM and you didn't already have (almost?) all the non-exclusive Mythics from coalition rewards, you would probably be spending at least a certain proportion of your crystals to obtain those remaining cards rather than hoarding it all. Value is respective to what you have, but apart from the pure proportion of cards collected I'm sure as a competitive player you also care about whether the cards you are trying to open contribute in any meaningful way to your decks.

babar3355

@span_argoman We do not disagree. I don't blame them for not distributing 2 mythics a week to the top 2 guilds, or 240 a week to the top 10. I don't understand nerfing top rewards so brutally for individual events. And I don't understand the scale of the nerf to ALL events. Maybe give 100 jewels to coalitions for first place. We would probably even like the system. We can target specific cards rather than getting a certain block.

I do wish they would communicate these types of things. When the patch notes came out the guys from Hiberium were all over the forums, replying to posts, etc. We thought they had just learned how to communicate. Instead, they were clearly just trying to placate us before we even knew the scope of the nerfs. Then they just disappeared. More than anything else, I want an honest discussion of why they thought the changes were necessary and how they think it will benefit the game in the long term. Not "THAT" it will, but "HOW" it will.

Flaricus

In all honesty, this week I is the first weekend in a long time that I have not even cared to play, with the drop in rewards I actually felt no benefit to go for that extra 2 mana jewels. When in the past I would wait and watch my timer expire to get that next attack in to grab that reward. I am really debating on giving up on the game all together if something does not change. I have played so many F2P games, and everyone that I have gave up on has gone out for me in much the same way. It may be the beginning of the end, the overall game play is still fun, when the game works, but the drive to keep playing and reap the rewards for your actions has turned me off. (the $99 "Epic pack" did not help either.)