New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

Jaedenkaal · March 2017

Hmm, I've gotten 3x 3* Thor, 1x 4* Thor, and 1x 5* Strange, out of what I can only assume is fewer than 70 pulls. Not really that surprising that our results could vary by that much since 5% is a pretty small percentage; any variance is likely to look like a pretty large deviation from the "expected" result.

Rick_OShay · March 2017

Read 99% of all posts, finally dropping in a comment.

Agreed with the consensus, the Bonus Heroes 5% idea is great on it's own. Vaulting this many of the older characters is very difficult to accept.

Upvoting the concept to keep the blessed 12 in Latest Legends tokens, and all others into the Classic Legends tokens.

By the way, the Legendary Token overall pull rate is unchanged at 15% for 5*'s. Representing it now at ~1:7 displays better than, but truly equates to: 1/6.66667. I would have preferred to keep the percentage display.
It is NOT reduced to: "14.25% + the difference of the bonus-expected 0.75%".
It IS: "15% for a 5* draw PLUS a 5% chance of a bonus 5*".

For the 1% I didn't read, it quickly became apparent a couple of posters are a bit irrational, and their comments should be avoided. So, thanks for the time savings!

Cthulhu · March 2017

We just had our initial conversation after the weekend and are discussing what to do next, please bear with us as we move as fast as we can without breaking anything!

whycantwesyncpc · March 2017

LOL, sent a question into support playing dumb and asking why so many characters are missing from tokens. Practically received and essay explaining how the bonuses work in great details. Not a single word about the vaulting and why there characters are no longer in the tokens. Yeah, nothing fishy about this...

whycantwesyncpc · March 2017

I don't think anyone needs anything done immediately, but changes are needed. I can't speak for everyone, but know what those changes will be would be good even if it takes a little time to implement as no one wants something rushed that just causes more problems.

Dayv · March 2017

Your example implies there's only one character you want. Not counting Devil Dinosaur, I have 25 4* champs, and the rewards for them have been slowly improving as I collect more covers. There isn't just one 4* character I want, there's twenty-five 4* champs I want covers for and usually about 2 to 4 more characters I'm still working to fully cover. Over time, I was increasing that number further.

I don't recall the exact percentage 4* characters were at in Legendary Tokens before this change, but it was about 2% each. Let's be conservative and say there were 27 characters in the pool I actively wanted covers for. That means that just for 4* I had a 54% chance of of a useful cover. Add in any 5* rewards I can use and that's about another 14% to allow for occasional wasted covers on powers already at 5. Very roughly, I had about a 68% chance of any given Legendary Token being a benefit to me.

Now, I have three champs in the pool and two characters not yet at 13 covers. That's 14% for 5* still, about 21% for champs, and 14% for characters not yet covered. With the stroke of a pen, my usable reward rate dropped to 49%.

But wait, it gets worse! Already I've filled in my missing Ironheart covers and an extra one to move her to her desired build. I don't have the ISO to champ her, so in less than a week since the change, my usable rewards have dropped to 42%.

Now how much would you pay?

Wait, it gets worse still! In a matter of days, two of my three eligible champs will exit the tokens to be replaced by Coulson and Mordo. And Captain Marvel isn't far from 13 covers either. When those two champs fall out of the tokens, my odds won't immediately changes, but very soon I'll have Coulson, Mordo, and Captain Marvel all at 13 covers and I'll have just one champ left in the current pool, bringing my usable cover rate from 68% down to 21% in just weeks.

Sure, I can work to bring it back up again by champing characters still in the pool, preferably recent additions, but they will all suddenly stop paying off and everyone in the dust-covered pile of Misfit Toys will slow to a crawl waiting for covers from the few other sources that remain after LTs are cut off for them.

On top of that, a rational use of ISO above the 3* pool is now constrained to only 12 recent releases (the latest four to be really safe) and any 5* characters you pull.

Act now! Offer expires while you wait!

madok · March 2017

My emphasis added above.

Just wanted to reiterate what has already been stated by a few folks. You aren't giving me the cover I want. You are giving me a small chance of getting the cover I need for the character that I selected. If that is for a 5/x/5 character, I don't even want to know that odds of getting the correct bonus result I need.

I've already received an unusable bonus cover for 4* Danvers because I was lucky and kept getting green covers for her. That was an bonus punch in the gut.

pheregas · March 2017

What he said! ^^^

The vaulting system being dropped on us really threw us for a loop. I was sitting on two Hood covers (at level 182), which combined with a second Ghost Rider cover in inventory made him priority champ target.

A few days later, I have enough ISO to do it, but I think I'll just be selling those covers in favor of the Elite 12 (but also means savings more iso as all my previous cover maxed were all up to 100-120). If that sort of priority shift happens again, having as much info ahead of time would be wonderful!

Killians8 · March 2017

Like many of you I've read all or nearly all the pages in this topic. It appears the D3 team is at least acknowledging some kind of adjustment needs to be made here based on the size of the response. I am thankful for all of you who did speak up and more so for those who did in a respectful manner.

This game is not free to make so it's understandable if they feel many changes need to be made based on monetary need, but it seems they understand if you have no customers, there will be no money to gain.

Roster: https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Killians/

I myself was in a transition from 3* to 4* and just starting to build a 4* roster with very few having more than 4 covers. So this change crushed my ability to grow those older characters. I had been hoarding before this change out of necessity in this stage and chose to spend my hoard and replace some unfavorable or lower covered characters in place of a new Medusa with all three covers, several new covers for my Carol Danvers, a new Luke Cage with four covers, one cover Peggy, and Agent Venom (one of each cover and bleh). I kept many old favorites who have fewer than 4 covers such as Iceman, Jean Grey, Lady Thor, Big Pun, Starlord, and X23. I'm hoping there is some way any adjustments they make will allow me to make some progress with the more elite old characters as well as continue back to just rostering them all and building them like I did with the 3* tier. I won't miss Elektra, Nick Fury, or Thing who had 2 covers each.

My main message is we will need to be patient. As Cthulu said they don't want to break anything as they code the changes. Too fast means a lot more problems with the game. They are listening and responding on the boards so that is a positive thing.

See ya'll on the playfield.

Felonius · March 2017

Cthulhu,
I appreciate you guys (and gals?) looking at this seriously and taking action to fix the problem. I look forward to hearing of your resolution as soon as you can share the details. Thank you.

kyo28 · March 2017

Thank you. I really appreciate you guys taking our feedback into consideration. Of course, no one is asking you guys to rush anything and break the whole system, but as long as you guys are actively looking into this, that's all we can ask. Personally I still have about 26 days left on my VIP subscription so if a solution is out by then, I'll renew VIP. If not I'll skip and reactivate the moment a solution is in place.
But really, appreciate that you take this seriously!

Quick Fire · March 2017

Thank you for this post. It is very much appreciated. After seeing your activity in this thread on Friday, it is great to see today's follow up. Thank you for considering the community's feedback.

Alsmir · March 2017

Maybe next time give us a heads up before implementing game-changing mechanics?

firethorne · March 2017

Yes. If you have something that is only marginally less janky, and you can hammer out in a week, versus a much more healthy solution that would take a few months to figure out, by all means, take your time. It would be better to take your time and really think everything though thoroughly instead of throwing something out that seems half-baked. That's why you're in this situation in the first place.

I think the big priority in this thread is letting you know reducing the rate of old character acquisition to one out of 20 draws is completely unacceptable to many players, and trying to get some sort of understanding on why you didn't think it was a problem.

broll · March 2017

We appreciate you showing flexibility on this system. I hope you guys come to a good conclusion for a fix.

GurlBYE · March 2017

That's good news.

Don't be afraid to use as a huge free focus group, that are not only free but will give you money if we like your ideas.

aa25 · March 2017

Thank you so much for listening to our feedbacks and looking into this. If possible, please announce the change before it goes live.

Daredevil217 · March 2017

First of all, thank you for taking our feedback into consideration. I have laid out many of the players' concerns in an organized way in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=60457

hopefully it can be helpful to you and the developers.

We the players have been discussing solutions all weekend and the one that seems to be getting the most universal praise, and that will help solve the problem you were trying to address (dilution) without impacting your bottom line (financially speaking) is to add the older vaulted legends to the classic packs and leave the newest in the latest packs. This will allow those who complain of dilution and want to catch up faster a route to do so by buying latest packs that have a smaller pool to draw from. Those who don't mind dilution and want to work on covering older characters can do so with the classic packs. Both customers can utilize the very occasional bonus heroes (universally loved without the vaulting, by the way) to fill in the gaps.

Jaedenkaal · March 2017

If they do this, be prepared for Classics to cost 25 CP as well.

I'm not arguing that they should, I'm just saying. The argument in favour of this solution is that the older characters are at least as valuable to us as the new ones, so I'd get ready to pay as much for them.

Pinko_McFly · March 2017

Say this latest 12 in both legendaries is a sticking point that you (d3) cannot get by, then how about the following:
In all PvE events, have 3 covers of the featured 4* in the vault.
In all PvP events, have the 4* in the token only include the 4* that is awarded at 900 points.

Leave Heroics as the 12 and for a new character PvE or PvP event, just use the 12 with the razor thin chance of getting the new 4* that you have always had.

New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

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