Nivrax wrote: WolfmanX25 wrote: I think the will now very rarely be the right choice. The nerf may not be as bad as it initially seems, due to the destroyed tiles' damage, but 8 AP for a board shaker and, let's say, 2400 damage isn't that great. It's not the worst ability in the game (Hulk's green or Ragnarok's are worse ), but If I have Kamala or Thor on my team, you can bet I'll very rarely use X-Force . 2400 for 8 is quite meh, but if it indeed generates 4,5-5 extra AP on average, making it net cost of 3-4, I'd say it's pretty good if you have team comp that can use whatever dropped for you, plus board shakes are also good for letting you get access to colour matches you want and perhaps setting 4 or 5 in a row. I don't see myself dropping 5 green for 5 yellow, at least not until matching yellow by enemy would switch resulting cascade for you.
WolfmanX25 wrote: I think the will now very rarely be the right choice. The nerf may not be as bad as it initially seems, due to the destroyed tiles' damage, but 8 AP for a board shaker and, let's say, 2400 damage isn't that great. It's not the worst ability in the game (Hulk's green or Ragnarok's are worse ), but If I have Kamala or Thor on my team, you can bet I'll very rarely use X-Force .
Nivrax wrote: Wonko33 wrote: but SS could be temperamental too, how many times have you been stuck with it because strongest color is purple or there are only a few of a certain color on the board? In those situations new SS is getting hefty buff. The second did happen but fairly rarely unless you tried to SS twice same colour in short time between.
Wonko33 wrote: but SS could be temperamental too, how many times have you been stuck with it because strongest color is purple or there are only a few of a certain color on the board?
Phantron wrote: arktos1971 wrote: The main concern many of us have is the nerf of XF and PvE scaling. SS was helping a lot in very lethal situations... I never minded nerfs of Top Tier teams (I always hate them), but I'm always really concerned about PvE scaling. Kingpin is too slow, and not very efficient. I ran a lot of comination of straight up power teams in Thunderbolt Mountains without X Force since you can't use him in half of the node and it's reasonably successful even if a lot of it depended on Iron Fist. The extra HPs will help in terms of winning fights (but not necessarily sustaining) because currently a high level opponent can generally one shot your guys which leaves you without much options once they hit their moves. With more HP you'll be able to survive and while your opponent has more health too, being able to take say a 9K hit (fairly common on high level opponents) versus not is likely a bigger benefit than your enemy having another 10K HP. I'd expect overall scaling to go down a bit and certainly not go up even more to the point where they can one shot your characters with the health increase. I am concerned with what happens against the guys with level 100 rosters that presumably didn't depend on X Force very much, since they're basically unaffected by the change, as it's already uncomfortable enough even when X Force dominated. Given X Force totally outclasses anybody, the fact that PvE between those who have X Force and not can be sometimes close suggests scaling applies an incredible weight in the opposite direction.
arktos1971 wrote: The main concern many of us have is the nerf of XF and PvE scaling. SS was helping a lot in very lethal situations... I never minded nerfs of Top Tier teams (I always hate them), but I'm always really concerned about PvE scaling. Kingpin is too slow, and not very efficient.
jimstarooney wrote: I think hulk gains the most now xforce claws have been turned into butter knives.
Thamanator wrote: pc means politically correct. I am not sure what the meaning of it is in this case, but that is because I know nothing of Luke Cage.
arktos1971 wrote: Sure, but what does your roster look like when you have finished clearing all the nodes ? I managed to make it to Top 10, but could not play the PvPs meanwhile, because I was consistently out of health packs. Though I have most of the featured/useful characters as duplicates in my roster. The Health Packs problem will be the next one, as you obviously can no longer participate in all events.
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: jimstarooney wrote: I think hulk gains the most now xforce claws have been turned into butter knives. Not really, LCap still chews him up and spits him out very easily. Because XForce's black is still very strong, so it's really the green powers that get a boost. Thor, Kamala, Patch, Groot, Punisher, Squirrel Girl, Fist, She-Hulk....they all benefit. Panther gets a boost since he's back to (arguably) the best black in the game to go with his underrated yellow. Doom is growing on me, his purple is amazing for finishing the last opponent quickly. But I don't think he's any stronger now
daibar wrote: Surprised no has yet mentioned Patch. With Berserker Rage and the most reliable heal in the game, he'll probably be relied upon more. Other 4* may gain some prominence, if anyone can ever cover them.