Batman Inc Chat - recruiting for season 2 - top 100

KaioShinDE

It breaks, once you shield you have to sit still and wait out until it expires. Well if you get pushed out of the ranking you were going for you can decide to give up on the shield and resume attacking of course, but you shouldn't have to do that. Hence why you usually shield up at the end of the tournament. You reach the score you want to have at the end and then shield, so you are essentially removed from the active tournament. (If you are shielded you don't show up for other people as enemies. If you get while shielded that's because people already had you on their list before you shielded).

Anyway, tl;dr: Once you shield don't attack, unless you have a very good reason for it.

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Glad I asked. I assumed it'd cloak you and you'd still be active! So, there's still a skill and also a little luck involved in timing it right. I guess you keep pushing til the hits start coming in. Surely, it's unfair to allow retaliation if you've paid for protection!?? I understand if the match has started before you shield up but really you should vanish from the event entirely...otherwise you could be in 15 people's target lists? The latter most likely opponents wanting your points

KaioShinDE

If you get retiations while the shield is active you'll lose 0 points. If they lose, you can even still win points without playing. Last night in Best There Is I got hit 3 times while shielded and won one of those.

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AlexBatman wrote:

Glad I asked. I assumed it'd cloak you and you'd still be active! So, there's still a skill and also a little luck involved in timing it right. I guess you keep pushing til the hits start coming in. Surely, it's unfair to allow retaliation if you've paid for protection!?? I understand if the match has started before you shield up but really you should vanish from the event entirely...otherwise you could be in 15 people's target lists? The latter most likely opponents wanting your points

You can't lose points while shielded. The only way you can is if they started a match before you threw up your shield, and even then I believe that is mostly the server not being certain which to process first, meaning if they don't finish the match within a certain time of you shielding it still blocks it (that time is likely on the order of seconds rather than minutes). The only reason you no longer show up is because ppl for a few weeks when shields first were introduced would put in tank teams (via losing...you didn't have to win a match to tank PvP at the time) after reaching a high lvl and everyone else would rubberband off thier score as the person "tanking" with a shield lost no points but let many more players get a higher score for no work. Subsequently, many ppl earned 4**** progress rewards, which was against what devs wanted...so they made the progress rewards really high. Of course, that also didn't stop it as it was still just a matter of getting into a decent mmr to get the highest scores. Afterwards they made it so ppl shielded were no longer visible, thus allieviating the extra 3*** and 4**** inflow from PvP events. It took them weeks to drop the progress rewards to even mildly not manageable to obtain as they are now lol.

Usually my go to for shielding is: break the spot I want by 80-200 pts, then keep going.until I get retaliated once, then drop my shield. Of course, if you are only going for top 10 there is a good chance u won't even need go shield if you get a decent bracket. Shielding is for safety in the top ten, or for trying to get first. You don't even have to try usually to get the 1 cover reward (3*** co ef that is) as ling as you ar on near the end of the tournement. Example: I started this tournement that finished about 14 hrs before the end or something. I didn't really care, so I had no plans on trying to place high (don't care about iw covers, don't care about shieldbro, etc). So I didn't have to use a shield, though I started the event with one match many hours earlier, I only started attacking an hour before the event ended. I played to the last second and went from 30-700 in about an hour to an hour and 15 minutes going at a pretty ho hum pace (no boosts until the last 15 minutes, talking with ppl, google searches on stuff, played a little dark souls, etc). I placed #12 due to a bad break and not the greatest bracket in the world, but I was playing it very causally and I already know I will get cap in time...and that I don't plan to raise him anyway. If I cared a little more a top 10 would have been easy in that dame timeframe. I haven't even tanked recently, so that's with an mmr of lvl 141 characters being pummled by 131 mag, 105 punisher/70 spidey, and the forced character. Point being, its very doable to never shield...ever...and still place well. The shield therefore is more for piece mind than anything else unless you are going for first (4**** reward).

As for retaliations, I skip almost all of them. Why? Because it means someone is able to beat me, willing to beat me, and likely has close enough points to WANT to beat me. Taking the 20-30 point loss is usually less of a burden than swapping even numbers with someone. Of course, if they are 100+ points higher than u ...feel free to retaliate. NEVER retaliate against someone Lower than you. Actually, don't fight ppl lower than you in general unless thier team (and overall roster) is inferior to yours by a wide margin.

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soenottelling wrote:

Zypher wrote:

Can I retreat for tanking. Or do I need to actually fight and lose?

for pve tanking, no. For PvP tanking, yes.

PvP only registers the team you last won with. To lower your mmr you need to record a defensive loss, so you need to have a team in that is weak enough to attract attention while having enough points that ppl don't just ignore you.
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Actually you can just retreat for tanking. soe describes defensive tanking but there is also offensive tanking. Offensive losses reduce MMR as well so you can keep starting fights and retreating. You can get 4 fights out of each set of characters. If there's a freebe like in the shield bro tournament, you use a set of two of your characters and the freebe. That means that if you have 23 characters you can tank for 40 fights with the lower ones and keep your A team alive. When they recover you do it again.

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Thanks. Needed to do something to help with the pvp. Opponents were ridiculously high.

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Hi, another quick question on tanking. I understand the effect on pvp but not sure I've got it with regards to pve. If I'm wanting to lower level of bots in pve do I have to tank in pve event? Or is it just based on overall mmr? So me tanking in shield versus will effect bots in pve...or not? I also take it tanking won't take effect pve til the next rnd as gradually the bots lvl rise but don't ever seem to decrease. Is this right or am I (more than likely) missing something.

Thanks in advance to sonottelling as I'm guessing he'll answer this perfectly

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AlexBatman wrote:

Hi, another quick question on tanking. I understand the effect on pvp but not sure I've got it with regards to pve. If I'm wanting to lower level of bots in pve do I have to tank in pve event? Or is it just based on overall mmr? So me tanking in shield versus will effect bots in pve...or not? I also take it tanking won't take effect pve til the next rnd as gradually the bots lvl rise but don't ever seem to decrease. Is this right or am I (more than likely) missing something.

Thanks in advance to sonottelling as I'm guessing he'll answer this perfectly

You need to tank in the PvE event. I'm not sure how it works now but in the first events with scaling you would see results right away. It took a couple of losses before seeing any change but after killing off your entire roster you could go from 230s to double digits.

Now they added community scaling meaning that if everyone does well on a particular node the lowest possible level for that node goes up. This means that even if you tank you won't see the really low levels from the start of the event.

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Forget what I said. Either community scaling is really strong or PvE tanking is gone.

I just sacrificed 21 characters and the 198 mission didn't change one bit.

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Couldn't believe it yesterday when we were in the top 3 in unstable ISO. Great job everyone. I wonder if we will get one new spawn today an how difficult it will be to finish off. I have been staying near the top 10, bit starting to get the 200+ matches now.

Not to mention I hate the mechanic where one non-hero like a mob boss auto generates 3 colors every turn for the two villain teammates. Once they get on a roll they are very hard to beat consistently. If anyone has any advice let me know.

And the PVE tanking does not seem to be taking effect (same as Iron Batman experienced). Or we are just unlucky.

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OldTimer wrote:

If anyone has any advice let me know.

The only advice is what I just had to do: break out Spiderman. Hope he gets nerfed soon so that we don't get this crazy scaling.

Without Spidey = everyone dead
With Spidey = finish with full health.

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I need him to come up as a prize cover again. I never have gotten a yellow cover. Maybe soon....

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Currently we're #1 on the PvE tournament. Good job everyone!

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I am almost to 40k points....how in the world am I supposed to get to 160k for prizes? Did they really mess up the scoring for this event that badly?

KaioShinDE

OldTimer wrote:

I am almost to 40k points....how in the world am I supposed to get to 160k for prizes? Did they really mess up the scoring for this event that badly?

Yep, they did.

Btw: 9 hours left on the current PvP event, we are still at #170. I understand when people aren't interested in GSBW but let's at least try to grab the Top100 HP so that our EU players break even on the 8 hour shield

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I been doing all my tanking in the simulator, seems to be working greatin all eevents so
Far... Thanks so much to everyone talking about it... Amazin !

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Nice work! Surely hit top 100 in pvp as alliance. I was top 5 and nearing 900pts before the big hitters came in. Just not strong enough yet to push for those extra 50hp! Ended on 820 pts having got to 870 twice. Going for those 30pts I got hit for 60/80 both times. Lvl 141 punisher on 1000+ tourney pts!! They've definitely scaled pvp awards right for me...dangling that carrot just out of reach. Lol! Pve looks a joke. I was top overall last night...now im up against 140+ nodes in new rounds. Perhaps, I shouldn't have atked so much late on last round? I'll make a push for it later but think ill struggle to break 40k. What lvl are your bots in new rnds Jamie just out of interest. And what your overall score?

KaioShinDE

Yeah my nodes are all around level 160 now, after they've all been very reasonable all event so far. I think since this is the last round of nodes everyone suddenly started actually trying and community scaling shot through the roof. This current selection of nodes definitely sucks ****, it makes me puke just looking at it. 179 Daken + 179 Bullsye + Leutenant, oh come the **** on. I have 39k score atm, but didn't play any node since getting up yet. Will start now, let's see how far my health packs will last...

Edit: And now at 45.5k. Did every mission once, I don't want to push my personal scaling higher too. That puts me at #3 in my personal. A few days ago I thought I might actually have a shot at #1, but once again the event will end at 5 or 6 am for me, so there is no way I can win against non-EU players from my bracket who'll just rubber band ahead of me while I sleep. I'll do one last push before I go to bed tonight and hope it'll be enough for Top #25.

You know for PvP I don't care too much about the event end times, it just means I waste double the HP on shields, but I get it back so who cares right? But when it keeps happening on 6 or 9 day PvE events it really makes you feel like the joke's on you.

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Wow! 2nd at the moment! You guys think we'll hold out!?! I'm gutted... I'm out so I can't play last 3hrs. I'm currently on 50k and will push again in morning. I'm actually beating the 141 plus nodes with the odd power up so sticking in top 5. Would love 500hp!!! Just wonder how far I'll drop in 8hrs and more importantly those final 3.

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We're dropping pretty fast in the ISO-8 challenge. Down to 6th now.

One final push needed...