Devs Please stop the mandatory covers in PvE

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allorin wrote:

bahamut685 wrote:

Phantron wrote:

If you're at a point where not having the required hero adversely affects your ranking then you should've been more than capable of getting the said hero in the first place. It really only comes into play if you're fighting for a top 20 or better finish but if you're in that position, winning the hero from the event before is not very hard with that kind of placement.

Psylocke was only available to people with Spiderman Blue 4or5.

Rubbish - I got 2 Psylockes, and I don't have a useable Spidey. (3 Blue, didn't use him at all during Simulator.)

Psylocke was available to anyone willing to put in the effort.

Scaling makes that untrue. Notice all the one star teams in the top tens? Imagine how many were in the top 75, times the number of brackets there were. They take rewards from people who do put the effort in. What you said is the way it should be, but as of right now it ain't that way.

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Typhon13 wrote:

allorin wrote:

bahamut685 wrote:

Phantron wrote:

If you're at a point where not having the required hero adversely affects your ranking then you should've been more than capable of getting the said hero in the first place. It really only comes into play if you're fighting for a top 20 or better finish but if you're in that position, winning the hero from the event before is not very hard with that kind of placement.

Psylocke was only available to people with Spiderman Blue 4or5.

Rubbish - I got 2 Psylockes, and I don't have a useable Spidey. (3 Blue, didn't use him at all during Simulator.)

Psylocke was available to anyone willing to put in the effort.

Scaling makes that untrue. Notice all the one star teams in the top tens? Imagine how many were in the top 75, times the number of brackets there were. They take rewards from people who do put the effort in. What you said is the way it should be, but as of right now it ain't that way.

I have a 2* team transitioning to 3* (only my IM 40 is >85). I faced mostly lvl 230s after day 1. With boosts, luck, perseverance and perhaps most importantly great hints and tips from this community on strategies to try, I placed top 30. If I'd wanted to I could probably have made top ten, but I was tired of the grind.

Not everyone could get top 75, I agree. But my point was the absence of a useable Spidey wasn't a blocker to that. It just meant I (and others) had to find another strategy.

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I understand what you meant, I was just responding tothe last part that said anyone who put the effort in got psy. i was saying that more people who put the effort in and deserved it could've gotten psy without the scaling that puts weak teams ahead of them. I have a similar level team and did the same as you, but I barely missed the top 75. If those one star teams hadnt been there, people like me would've gotten psy. What you're saying about not needing spidey is true. He's not absolutely necessary, he just makes it easier.

NighteyesGrisu

allorin wrote:

I have a 2* team transitioning to 3* (only my IM 40 is >85). I faced mostly lvl 230s after day 1. With boosts, luck, perseverance and perhaps most importantly great hints and tips from this community on strategies to try, I placed top 30. If I'd wanted to I could probably have made top ten, but I was tired of the grind.

Not everyone could get top 75, I agree. But my point was the absence of a useable Spidey wasn't a blocker to that. It just meant I (and others) had to find another strategy.

I didn't get Psylocke myself, but I think had I really wanted to, I could have achieved top 75, I just didn't have that much time this time around. As it happens I got lucky and won one of her covers from the reward tokens in one of the submissions amongst a pile of cap

Furthermore, the top guys in my bracket certainly weren't all 1*. there were a good number of ** or *** teams amongst them (many compareable to mine, so if they could achieve it, I should have been able too with the proper effort).

also, I have a feeling that those *-teams didn't really have it easy either. They probably just put in a lot of effort, since they weren't distracted by all the PVP, as they can't hope to really compete there.....I did look it up with my lowly steam account. The levels were much lower, but still challenging.

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Typhon13 wrote:

I understand what you meant, I was just responding tothe last part that said anyone who put the effort in got psy. i was saying that more people who put the effort in and deserved it could've gotten psy without the scaling that puts weak teams ahead of them. I have a similar level team and did the same as you, but I barely missed the top 75. If those one star teams hadnt been there, people like me would've gotten psy. What you're saying about not needing spidey is true. He's not absolutely necessary, he just makes it easier.

Cool, I think we agree. I'm not a fan of the current scaling + rubber-banding implementation, though it does seem to be gradually changing.

Personally I still think D3 are focusing on the wrong thing. They are trying to make episodes playable for everyone, which is going to be next to impossible to do successfully given the huge range in player rosters / ability.

I still think Simulator would have been better if you had to choose between Normal and Hard each sub, with rewards commensurate to your choice. But then with fixed lvl difficulties, as opposed to scaling.

Another thing D3 could do is each week you could have the choice of several previous episodes - 1, 2, 2.5 etc. These episodes could have scaling difficulty - I.e episode 2 could be harder than 1, 3 could be harder than 2, and so on.

The episodes would have the rewards they initially had. Missed out on that Hulk cover? Go play the Hulk episode again.

Crucially, I would implement it so you could only play one episode each week. So the newbies with 1* rosters could choose to play episode 4 with lvl 130+ enemies, but they would be competing against you and I (and people with better rosters!), and would likely not place well. Or, they could play an episode more suited to their roster, and likely bag themselves some useful covers to start moving their roster up. But they couldn't do both.

The main issue the game has is limited PvE content, and D3 are trying to get round that by making whatever content they do push out playable for everyone. But why not address it the other way by pushing out more content, with varied difficulty? Then the players who have been playing for months and are up for the latest challenge could tackle the newest (hardest) content, and the newbies who missed out on some great earlier (easier) content could still get their PvE fix.

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So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

_RiO_

falcone wrote:

So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

Welcome to the club. It's been that way since forever: offer new hero A as reward, make hero A essential for next event which offers new hero B, make hero B essential, etc.
Basically; if you didn't get on when the train departed and if you didn't keep yourself on that train, you are forever at a disadvantage.

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_RiO_ wrote:

falcone wrote:

So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

Welcome to the club. It's been that way since forever: offer new hero A as reward, make hero A essential for next event which offers new hero B, make hero B essential, etc.
Basically; if you didn't get on when the train departed and if you didn't keep yourself on that train, you are forever at a disadvantage.

Not true. If you missed out, all you have to do is to pay 4000 HP.

WAIT!! It's actually 3800 after discount! After you pay 3800 HP for the single rare cover and a bunch of other useless 2 stars you don't need, you get that new char to finally use!!

Ain't it wonderful that they left us this option?!

kensterr

falcone wrote:

So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

Lone Star Skirmish is ending in about 13 hours time. Get a top 45 placement and you'll get the Psylocke cover.

TheVulture

I don't mind mandatory cover missions - though it can be overkill when maps are small e.g. 3 open missions vs 2 gated - but I would prefer they not be the hardest ones, given how utterly useless un-levelled 3* characters.

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TheVulture wrote:

I don't mind mandatory cover missions - though it can be overkill when maps are small e.g. 3 open missions vs 2 gated - but I would prefer they not be the hardest ones, given how utterly useless un-levelled 3* characters.

I actually the mandatory cover levels exactly for that reason. It gives me an incentive to use all my covers and level them up to at least a usable state (when buffed) of level 50.

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The issue is more to do with the mission structure itself.

On The Hulk, if you didn't have Punisher, you were in no ways competitive because The Punisher missions are the biggest points mission, and to top it off they feature stuff like 3 level 20 Dark Avengers on a level 100 difficulty bracket, or level 50 Dark Avengers in a level 230 difficulty bracket. You're basically looking at a max point mission that can be soloed by a level 85 Wolverine (and back then he wasn't nerfed) in a bracket you might have a hard time beating any other mission, and that mission is worth than pretty much the rest of the missions put together! So if you didn't have The Punisher you pretty much had no chance to be competitive.

In this round, the first set of sub brackets was quite playable without Psylocke. The second set of sub brackets, you might as well not bother competing without her because the difficulty of the regular missions went way up, not just in level but composition (the DA/goon combos are all extremely strong, even Yelena + 2 Empiricists is nasty due to them feeding her purple), while the Psylocke missions are all the 3 goons variety.

The required hero covers is supposed to give an edge to those who have the said heroes. But D3 should pay attention to how the missions divide up. I think the Simulator had the right idea. The biggest point mission is never the required hero one and it's roughly all the 3 hero required mission is equal to the biggest non hero required mission, and they're of comparable difficulty. Having the heroes give you more options on opponents not to mention the ability to just do first 2 stacks of each mission instead of grinding the hard mission 5 times, but you could've been competitive even if your roster didn't have any of the required heroes.

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Psylocke is a possibly reward for getting top50 in one of the subevents for this current PvE.

It's not impossible; don't give up hope.

I don't have Punisher or the Cap in my roster, and I'm pulling out top 50's.

Puritas

So basically to sum up this thread, the complaint is as follows:

Omg this game is too grindy and hard I can't be arsed to go for a top 75 reward.

**** I don't have the top 75 reward from the last tournament so now I'm at a disadvantage for the top 75 reward this tournament!

I would totally be top 75 this time otherwise I swear I demand compensation.

Shut up people telling me I could top 75 with a little extra grinding I deserve better.

You guys are great.

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Puritas wrote:

So basically to sum up this thread, the complaint is as follows:

Omg this game is too grindy and hard I can't be arsed to go for a top 75 reward.

**** I don't have the top 75 reward from the last tournament so now I'm at a disadvantage for the top 75 reward this tournament!

I would totally be top 75 this time otherwise I swear I demand compensation.

Shut up people telling me I could top 75 with a little extra grinding I deserve better.

You guys are great.

But.... I only placed in the top 75 in my sub, so I only won a silver Recruit token! Therefore, I can't win a Psylocke cover this round, which further disadvantages me in the next round, and makes the game even MORE unfair compared to everyone else!

First World problems, indeed...

NighteyesGrisu

falcone wrote:

So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

No, you won't get Black Panther right now....you'll still have about a gazillion chances of getting him after that.

_RiO_

Puritas wrote:

So basically to sum up this thread, the complaint is as follows:

Omg this game is too grindy and hard I can't be arsed to go for a top 75 reward.

**** I don't have the top 75 reward from the last tournament so now I'm at a disadvantage for the top 75 reward this tournament!

I would totally be top 75 this time otherwise I swear I demand compensation.

Shut up people telling me I could top 75 with a little extra grinding I deserve better.

You guys are great.

I don't know about you, but the practice of giving previous winners a free leg up in the very next event feels very, very dirty to me. Double so if you basically have to pay a lot of cash (or be extremely lucky at a few token grabs) to be given the same opportunity and thus a level playing field. There's absolutely nothing fair or honest about that, it's just a money making scam; give a golden ticket to a few players and watch the others froth at the mouth to obtain the same.

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

falcone wrote:

So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

No, you won't get Black Panther right now....you'll still have about a gazillion chances of getting him after that.

Ok, intentional or not, I'll admit: that made me chuckle

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Aside from the 2nd set of mission where having Psylocke pretty much guaranteeds you a top 10 finish, the people here complaining about Psylocke would have an awfully hard time beating the appropriately difficult missions that require her in the other 2 set of missions so far.

If you're not fighting for top 10 in a sub bracket, you're not in a postion where having Psylocke or not would matter at all.

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_RiO_ wrote:

Puritas wrote:

So basically to sum up this thread, the complaint is as follows:

Omg this game is too grindy and hard I can't be arsed to go for a top 75 reward.

**** I don't have the top 75 reward from the last tournament so now I'm at a disadvantage for the top 75 reward this tournament!

I would totally be top 75 this time otherwise I swear I demand compensation.

Shut up people telling me I could top 75 with a little extra grinding I deserve better.

You guys are great.

I don't know about you, but the practice of giving previous winners a free leg up in the very next event feels very, very dirty to me. Double so if you basically have to pay a lot of cash (or be extremely lucky at a few token grabs) to be given the same opportunity and thus a level playing field. There's absolutely nothing fair or honest about that, it's just a money making scam; give a golden ticket to a few players and watch the others froth at the mouth to obtain the same.

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

falcone wrote:

So basicly because I spent the last week or digging out of a series of ice and snow storms and missed out on Psylocke I have no real chance of getting Black Panther. Wonderful.

No, you won't get Black Panther right now....you'll still have about a gazillion chances of getting him after that.

Ok, I'll admit: that made me chuckle

You're right, everyone deserves a participation ribbon for being a special little snowflake.

We should get rid of hard difficulty in games, just make everything easy. It's not fair that in Mario you need to jump from platform to platform. You should just be able to quickly walk across a level and save the princess!

_RiO_

jozier wrote:

You're right, everyone deserves a participation ribbon for being a special little snowflake.

We should get rid of hard difficulty in games, just make everything easy. It's not fair that in Mario you need to jump from platform to platform. You should just be able to quickly walk across a level and save the princess!

Please take the next exit and loop back, because you missed the point by a mile. This is not about hard or easy difficulty. This is about giving a small part of the playerbase an unfair advantage in the guise of a rewarded character turning into an essential character back-to-back and about how that 'incentivizes' everyone else to catch-up by opening their wallets, because there is no reasonable alternate way to earn said character's covers that soon. I appreciate a challenge (heck I've played Demons Souls and Dark Souls and I still know what it means if a game is "Nintendo Hard"...) but not when underhanded money-mooching strips it of its fairness.

Essential covers are a nice thing to give a bit of dynamic to events, but it should not be using back-to-back released characters. Give other players atleast some time to catch up their rosters. (And don't use only hard to farm 3-stars that only high-level players would have built up as essentials. Change things up and toss in boosted 1-stars as essentials as well...)