Episode 4: Iso-8 Brotherhood Discussion

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Actually enjoying the PVE content as of now. It's challenging, but not unfair... and since I got more or less forced to diversify my roster I can throw some different teams at the enemies before I have to give up because I ran out of health packs. I usually try to play all 3 cycles.

I do lose a lot of my throw away teams, which also sometimes succeed in taking the enemies down. So maybe I'm not hit as badly by scaling due to that.

Also the time is perfect for EU this time, since the phases start and end in the evening (around 9 or 10 pm), so I'm actually able to play 3 cycles without having to wake up in the middle of the night.

Usually finish the brackets in the top regions and ranging from 3-30 in the main bracket depending if I get all the cycles or not.

The only problem I see is that the easier subbracket never succeeded in reaching the point goal yet, so effectively the last node never gets unlocked.

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Now that I've leveled MN up to a decent level, I've been running him and Spidey/GSBW in all the missions. It's a ridiculously versatile lineup. You can use the purple to collect blue/green AP. You can use red to do 3000+ dmg plus the 25 AP collection. Then you have widows green which pops off a near 3000k AOE attack.

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jozier wrote:

eidehua wrote:

^ he got lucky and got 2 covers from the tokens, and I assume he placed in the lone star tourney

Correct. Top 5 in Lone Star, top 10 in the Simulator, got two from my tokens from yesterday's subs.

I guess someone has to be lucky to balance my unlucky streak. So far, from 8 Assault tokens I got 2 Captain America, 2 CStorm and 4 MN Magneto. To make things worse, from these 8 covers I only needed 2.

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Narkon wrote:

jozier wrote:

eidehua wrote:

^ he got lucky and got 2 covers from the tokens, and I assume he placed in the lone star tourney

Correct. Top 5 in Lone Star, top 10 in the Simulator, got two from my tokens from yesterday's subs.

I guess someone has to be lucky to balance my unlucky streak. So far, from 8 Assault tokens I got 2 Captain America, 2 CStorm and 4 MN Magneto. To make things worse, from these 8 covers I only needed 2.

I also wonder i should open my 9 Assault team tokens for a chance of Psylocke, or wait opening the tokens until the respec system arrives.

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mischiefmaker wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

Heading out for the night, but here is what I can ascertain for now.

#2 seems like a far more likely scenario to me, especially because a lot of the people I see reporting L230s across the board are also people with very high level rosters. I'd be very curious to see reports of what level heros people are using to win fights and what their opponent levels look like. Also it'd be interesting to test whether MMR reduction is affected by what level heros you lose fights with.

So far, I'd been running 2 clears per subevent, doing each node 2-4 times per clear. Would have done an extra clear but for an awkward timezone.

I have a couple of characters 100+ in my roster, but have somehow messed around so far with varying teams all of level 85 or less. Most often, running 85 punisher / OBW with whoever is required.
Only towards the end of the 2nd subevent did the enemy levels start to really creep up for me, and the highest that I noticed was still only 190. Nobody has hit 230 yet. Not sure if running with sub-85 heroes might have slowed the progression or not - wasn't doing it scientifically!

I did try a spot of tanking earlier, when I noted the levels had jumped to the point where I wanted spidey. Despite throwing a bunch of level 6s in to retreat 6 times total, and to bravely fight and be one-shot twice (6 retreats, 2 defeats, max character level involved ~16), I didn't notice any reduction in the level of the mobs i was fighting. I assumed that meant PVE tanking wasn't working - will try throwing patch and hulk under the bus a few times to see if they can make a difference with their greater levels. Will post my findings later.

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I didn't notice any impact of tanking either (did around 12 retreats with no change)

I did, however see a drastic drop earlier today (about 2 h ago, before I tanked) out of the blue

Narkon wrote:

I guess someone has to be lucky to balance my unlucky streak. So far, from 8 Assault tokens I got 2 Captain America, 2 CStorm and 4 MN Magneto. To make things worse, from these 8 covers I only needed 2.

all but two of the covers I had so far turned out to be cap...but I got lucky with one of the others and got a psylocke there. the last remaining one was mags

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Further tanking exploits:

levels of my 'hardest battle' dropped from 190 to 181 in between me checking the boards and the app. I had no impact in this drop, unsure if it was due to the community failing or time passing.

Threw a few teams in full suicide mode - no retreat, only defeat:
first fight hero total level 270
second fight hero total level 126
third fight total 95
fourth fight total 85

after the fourth fight, villain levels had dropped from 181 to 161. there was no change in the preceding fights, only after the fourth battle. total 576 hero levels and 12 lives lost. all heroes on full health prior to battle.
I'll try again later running the same thing but from the bottom of my roster up - four teams of lowbie suicide kings, to see if they can match the same heroic feat.

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Tanking finally reduce my fights from 230 across the board. Now there's only 4 fights at 230 and the lowest fight is level 177 (apart from Algeria-1 which has always been low). I expect other fights will increase back to 230 once I start fighting properly though.

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While I like the idea of the 25 hour subs, my work schedule is going to play hell with this event, since I'm going to really only be able to do one cycle plus a bit for each one. I'm hoping I can get in brackets where most of the people are in the same boat - given that I probably won't start until ~5:30 or 6:00 (EST) tonight, my brackets may be filled with other people with similar schedules. I was top 5 in both this morning; hoping to stay at least top 50, given I won't be able to play more than - at most - a few matches at lunchtime.

Something else - I think your top leveled character plays a part in the scaling - I've deliberately avoided leveling anyone over 75th so far, and the levels have been - for the most part - very manageable. I've gotten a few opponents around 200, but I've mainly seen them in the 80-130 range, with some above and (occasionally) below.

Also, I've been getting a ton of luck using primarily my 50th level Classic Storm and MN Magneto, using Magneto mainly to feed blues to Storm and Wind Storming everyone to death. I thought I'd get the most use out of Punisher, since he's 68th level, but he's often just sort of there, lobbing the occasional molotov or finishing someone off. Admittedly, he's only got 2 red, so he's not as helpful as he could be.

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It took me three full rounds, but I'm finally seeing 230's. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

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Wierd. In the past few PVEs I have had the same v/s 230s as everyone else, but in this event I have been facing between 75 and 110. I had thought maybe something go updated. Maybe the game feels bad for me cause I lost mostly all of my Lonestar fights.

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Few more rounds of tanking, with lower level characters this time.

After five rounds of suicide, with no character level higher than 37, there was no effect on the villain level at all. And unfortunately in my break between tanking runs, the villain level had crept up by 15 again anyway. le sigh.

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Narkon wrote:

jozier wrote:

eidehua wrote:

^ he got lucky and got 2 covers from the tokens, and I assume he placed in the lone star tourney

Correct. Top 5 in Lone Star, top 10 in the Simulator, got two from my tokens from yesterday's subs.

I guess someone has to be lucky to balance my unlucky streak. So far, from 8 Assault tokens I got 2 Captain America, 2 CStorm and 4 MN Magneto. To make things worse, from these 8 covers I only needed 2.

Got 3 tokes from 2 subs ( top 5 and top 50 ), got 3 blue classic storm with those 3 tokens ugghhhhh

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Tanking seems to work. Ive tried it in India Mission: India III (5x) and the Villians in Algeria Mission: Psylocke go down from 211 to 193. Now i try another mission

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Tanking works but not for all nodes equally, possibly due to too much community success. The hammer nodes are 230 for me and did not go down but the villain levels in India went down from 230 to 190s after putting most of my roster thru the grinder numerous times. I am sure it will scale back up quick but better than 230s every fight.

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EvilSonGoku wrote:

Tanking works but not for all nodes equally, possibly due to too much community success. The hammer nodes are 230 for me and did not go down but the villain levels in India went down from 230 to 190s after putting most of my roster thru the grinder numerous times. I am sure it will scale back up quick but better than 230s every fight.

yes, I just want to see whether it is worth and how it affects. The expense is too large and annoying. You can do so many fights in this time...whether 200 or 230 makes no more difference. many people have stopped, when I look at my bracket/main. For many it is just too hard and not fair

Edit: Algeria II reduce Algeria III 211 to 204. (5x)

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Svatlas wrote:

EvilSonGoku wrote:

Tanking works but not for all nodes equally, possibly due to too much community success. The hammer nodes are 230 for me and did not go down but the villain levels in India went down from 230 to 190s after putting most of my roster thru the grinder numerous times. I am sure it will scale back up quick but better than 230s every fight.

yes, I just want to see whether it is worth and how it affects. The expense is too large and annoying. You can do so many fights in this time...whether 200 or 230 makes no more difference. many people have stopped, when I look at my bracket/main. For many it is just too hard and not fair

Edit: Algeria II reduce Algeria III 211 to 204. (5x)

Yeah when this thing started I was indifferent and had no intent on placing higher than 75 just to get 1 BP cover. Having just done 2 plays each sub I found myself in top 10 and now feel like I have to commit at least that much to try to keep it but it does seem many are hitting the wall as I am not moving much down even overnight.

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Seem like my bracket has stopped pushing since the subs ended yesterday. I've only done each mission once and at this point have only dropped from 3 to 5 in the main.

On a different note, due to some bad cascades (against the level 230 hoards) that were out of my control I tried a different team last night just for the hell of it: Classic Mags, Hulk, Iron Man 40.

Against goons, once I get enough yellow for Recharge the battle it over. Doesn't matter what/how many countdowns tiles are on the board

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EvilSonGoku wrote:

Yeah when this thing started I was indifferent and had no intent on placing higher than 75 just to get 1 BP cover. Having just done 2 plays each sub I found myself in top 10 and now feel like I have to commit at least that much to try to keep it but it does seem many are hitting the wall as I am not moving much down even overnight.

Hehe yes, ive stopped #1 last night and woke up with #2. Ive now 39k points and place #2 36.5k 3# 35k - #10 32k points. It was never like that. always when I woke up, had min. 12 places lost

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beezer37_84 wrote:

Seem like my bracket has stopped pushing since the subs ended yesterday. I've only done each mission once and at this point have only dropped from 3 to 5 in the main.

On a different note, due to some bad cascades (against the level 230 hoards) that were out of my control I tried a different team last night just for the hell of it: Classic Mags, Hulk, Iron Man 40.

Against goons, once I get enough yellow for Recharge the battle it over. Doesn't matter what/how many countdowns tiles are on the board

MN Mags purple...all the blue you need for spidey, obw or c. Storm. Mine just went to lvl 40 but he is part of my rotation with im40 to feed patch or big Pun.