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  • NorthernPolarity
    NorthernPolarity Posts: 3,531 Chairperson of the Boards
    Did anyone experience rubberbanding on their nodes? I'm trying to decide whether to finish my last clear now or later: the levels are somewhat reasonable now but I'll be missing out on points later...
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    ApolloAndy wrote:
    What's the difference between "stack" and "node" here? I assume a node means one spot on the map. What do you mean by stack?
    Sorry: a single point value. Sim 3 starts at 1,000. If you "pop" the 1,000 by doing it, it's now worth 800 until 12 hours later. Pop that, and it goes down to 600, etc. 12 hours after each pop, the game "pushes" a value back onto the top of that node's stack of values. So if you do Sim 3 for 1,000 at 12:00 and for 800 at 14:00 then stop, the reset puts it back to 800 at 00:00 and 1,000 at 02:00.

    Hope that makes sense. Short version is just that you always want to leave a node alone for 12 hours from your last clear, not your first, otherwise you're getting partial value out of it next time. But yeah, in answer to your actual question: it's per node.
    ApolloAndy wrote:
    Edit: Is there any way to know how much more time a stack has to reset or a node has to reset until it's full? Or even what stack you're looking at for a particular node?
    It's not displayed anywhere, because that would confuse and upset the 92% of players who aren't insane and masochistic enough to try to understand why their score makes less sense than anything on Whose Line.

    It's fairly easy to tell as long as you're at max rubber band multiplier, though, which you will be if you're not up grinding with the best of them. You only need to be about 3,000 behind the overall leader (whose score you don't know, but it's rarely that different from your bracket's leader) for max on this one, I think someone estimated. Most of the hard mode stacks cap at 1,000 or 500, and are worth three times that if you exhaust them completely (100%, 80%, 60%, 40%, 20%). The challenge mission is 2,000, and a couple are worth less. So you should be able to see how "full" a stack is just by looking at what it's currently worth.
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    Anybody else getting massive grinding fatigue? After hopefully keeping my top spot I think I'm going to sit out of the next round entirely or at least play only enough to hit the 25000 reward checkpoint (and probably do it entirely in hard mode because normal has such low points).
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    NorthernPolarity wrote:
    Did anyone experience rubberbanding on their nodes? I'm trying to decide whether to finish my last clear now or later: the levels are somewhat reasonable now but I'll be missing out on points later...

    I am not sure if the rubber banding is off the main total or the subs but I currently have only done Hard sim 4 once this round and its sitting at 992 points instead of 1600 under max rubber banding. I currently have 27.5K in the Hard Simulation and 34.5K overall.
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    faustianpact wrote:
    Anybody else getting massive grinding fatigue? After hopefully keeping my top spot I think I'm going to sit out of the next round entirely or at least play only enough to hit the 25000 reward checkpoint (and probably do it entirely in hard mode because normal has such low points).
    No, but I've not done much on this. Couldn't get on at all for one cycle and am trying in any case to be a bit more sensible than during TaT, which I cheerfully rearranged my life around.

    Hard mode is fairly demanding: there may be nothing there I definitely can't do yet, but it takes some retreats and besides MagsDoomHood and the Bag Lady relative gimme it's all long matches. Allotting reasonable time to it has mostly only allowed skimming the top one or two off the 1,000 and 500 missions, and clearing 50 (!) is just out of the question, but next to no one else seems to be going to those lengths, either. It's definitely where the real points are, though. Plus I've been kind of intentionally ignoring easy mode because I'd rather let placement there slide in favor of people who can't do the hard at all, but the max easy values do outstrip the reduced hard after a couple of depletions.
  • Eddiemon
    Eddiemon Posts: 1,470 Chairperson of the Boards
    Veracity wrote:
    faustianpact wrote:
    Anybody else getting massive grinding fatigue? After hopefully keeping my top spot I think I'm going to sit out of the next round entirely or at least play only enough to hit the 25000 reward checkpoint (and probably do it entirely in hard mode because normal has such low points).
    No, but I've not done much on this. Couldn't get on at all for one cycle and am trying in any case to be a bit more sensible than during TaT, which I cheerfully rearranged my life around.

    Hard mode is fairly demanding: there may be nothing there I definitely can't do yet, but it takes some retreats and besides MagsDoomHood and the Bag Lady relative gimme it's all long matches. Allotting reasonable time to it has mostly only allowed skimming the top one or two off the 1,000 and 500 missions, and clearing 50 (!) is just out of the question, but next to no one else seems to be going to those lengths, either. It's definitely where the real points are, though. Plus I've been kind of intentionally ignoring easy mode because I'd rather let placement there slide in favor of people who can't do the hard at all, but the max easy values do outstrip the reduced hard after a couple of depletions.

    Number 6 I think is the shortest match. Just bring a modern storm and spectators.
  • mouser
    mouser Posts: 529 Critical Contributor
    Are the base and/or max rubberband points for each node posted somewhere? Skimmed through the thread but didn't see them listed anywhere. Want to make sure I'm at max refresh before starting the last sub push.
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    Eddiemon wrote:
    Veracity wrote:
    faustianpact wrote:
    Anybody else getting massive grinding fatigue? After hopefully keeping my top spot I think I'm going to sit out of the next round entirely or at least play only enough to hit the 25000 reward checkpoint (and probably do it entirely in hard mode because normal has such low points).
    No, but I've not done much on this. Couldn't get on at all for one cycle and am trying in any case to be a bit more sensible than during TaT, which I cheerfully rearranged my life around.

    Hard mode is fairly demanding: there may be nothing there I definitely can't do yet, but it takes some retreats and besides MagsDoomHood and the Bag Lady relative gimme it's all long matches. Allotting reasonable time to it has mostly only allowed skimming the top one or two off the 1,000 and 500 missions, and clearing 50 (!) is just out of the question, but next to no one else seems to be going to those lengths, either. It's definitely where the real points are, though. Plus I've been kind of intentionally ignoring easy mode because I'd rather let placement there slide in favor of people who can't do the hard at all, but the max easy values do outstrip the reduced hard after a couple of depletions.

    Number 6 I think is the shortest match. Just bring a modern storm and spectators.

    Just bring Patch and get 9 green and kill the bomb guy. Half of the time you don't even need to do anything fancy to kill him before his bomb explodes, and then after that you can faceroll at your leisure unless you somehow took 20 turns for one of those charges to explode (they don't do damage, but they can drop tiles on you).

    I find the final mission is pretty fast with Moonstone. Borrowing a Threaten tile ends the game pretty quickly, and for the amount of points it give, getting 17 black isn't that long.
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    mouser wrote:
    Are the base and/or max rubberband points for each node posted somewhere? Skimmed through the thread but didn't see them listed anywhere. Want to make sure I'm at max refresh before starting the last sub push.

    The hardest mission on hard has a base of 200 (this is true in general with all PvE events). Use that as a reference point. If it's at 2000 all your missions are at max rubberband modifier. I'm not familiar with the easier bracket points, because the rubberbanding has never hit 10X there besides the very beginning so I got nothing to compare it against.
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    Eddiemon wrote:
    Number 6 I think is the shortest match. Just bring a modern storm and spectators.
    Oh, Bomb Techx2 + Demolitionist? Yeah, I forgot that was a 500. Anyone claiming they can't do any of hard mode probably didn't look at that, but to be fair everyone hammered it because it's easy so it was 3x230 very quickly. Could still take a while to munch through if you have no heavy damage, I guess.
    Phantron wrote:
    The hardest mission on hard has a base of 200 (this is true in general with all PvE events). Use that as a reference point. If it's at 2000 all your missions are at max rubberband modifier. I'm not familiar with the easier bracket points, because the rubberbanding has never hit 10X there besides the very beginning so I got nothing to compare it against.
    Most of them are 50 or 100. First is 20, number 10 is 40 and I think the first in the second chain is also 20, but not logged in to check. I'll try to post up the base values on the next sub when it comes up if no one else gets around to it.
  • Mawtful
    Mawtful Posts: 1,646 Chairperson of the Boards
    jozier wrote:
    I'm in 2nd in main, 2nd in hard and 31st in my easy brackets. Hopefully I'm not working a 15 hour day today and I can play a bit.

    Our main seems fairly competitive. I've been in the top 5 for both my subs and that only got me up to #12 or so in the main. Or perhaps my subs are just relaxed by comparison; I haven't been clearing stacks, only doing each node once or twice per refresh.

    I'm not aiming too high. I would have been happy with 1 Psylocke cover. If my ranking stays this consistent, I'll probably end up with 2. I'm more excited about the prospect of another yellow Patch cover and the next pair of subs being another ISO mine.
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    Mawtful wrote:
    jozier wrote:
    I'm in 2nd in main, 2nd in hard and 31st in my easy brackets. Hopefully I'm not working a 15 hour day today and I can play a bit.

    Our main seems fairly competitive. I've been in the top 5 for both my subs and that only got me up to #12 or so in the main. Or perhaps my subs are just relaxed by comparison; I haven't been clearing stacks, only doing each node once or twice per refresh.

    I'm not aiming too high. I would have been happy with 1 Psylocke cover. If my ranking stays this consistent, I'll probably end up with 2. I'm more excited about the prospect of another yellow Patch cover and the next pair of subs being another ISO mine.

    I'm not gonna lie, half the missions I've only ever cleared once. I haven't ground down a single stack during a refresh, and I've probably only played about 6-7 fights maximum per refresh if I can recall correctly.

    Which means I've left a ton of ISO on the table but c'est la vie.
  • Eddiemon
    Eddiemon Posts: 1,470 Chairperson of the Boards
    Phantron wrote:
    mouser wrote:
    Are the base and/or max rubberband points for each node posted somewhere? Skimmed through the thread but didn't see them listed anywhere. Want to make sure I'm at max refresh before starting the last sub push.

    The hardest mission on hard has a base of 200 (this is true in general with all PvE events). Use that as a reference point. If it's at 2000 all your missions are at max rubberband modifier. I'm not familiar with the easier bracket points, because the rubberbanding has never hit 10X there besides the very beginning so I got nothing to compare it against.

    Just to qualify this, that only works as long as you start your rounds with clearing that mission. Invisible woman, my first victim tops out at 1000. Daken, wolverine and the fat controller only tempt me when I am close to #1.

    And easy mode is strange because its rubberband appears different to hard mode. Possibly I am being punished for having a good score in hard mode, which would be a great way of sharing the rewards.
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    Eddiemon wrote:
    Phantron wrote:
    mouser wrote:
    Are the base and/or max rubberband points for each node posted somewhere? Skimmed through the thread but didn't see them listed anywhere. Want to make sure I'm at max refresh before starting the last sub push.

    The hardest mission on hard has a base of 200 (this is true in general with all PvE events). Use that as a reference point. If it's at 2000 all your missions are at max rubberband modifier. I'm not familiar with the easier bracket points, because the rubberbanding has never hit 10X there besides the very beginning so I got nothing to compare it against.

    Just to qualify this, that only works as long as you start your rounds with clearing that mission. Invisible woman, my first victim tops out at 1000. Daken, wolverine and the fat controller only tempt me when I am close to #1.

    And easy mode is strange because its rubberband appears different to hard mode. Possibly I am being punished for having a good score in hard mode, which would be a great way of sharing the rewards.

    Easy and hard have separate rubberbanding. I picked a mission in easy and wrote down its points (and it wasn't at the 10X max) and then did a 1000 point mission in hard, and it's still the same value in easy. I suspect nobody's really grinding hardcore on the easy bracket because even the easy bracket gets reasonably hard so if you can do all those missions, might as well do hard for more points instead.
  • Kyllian
    Kyllian Posts: 29 Just Dropped In
    First in both brackets, with a confortable margin. 3 hours to go...
    Loving the event!
  • Bacon Pants
    Bacon Pants Posts: 1,012
    I just reached 25000 overall. I didn't get to play as much as I would've liked today. Still 25th overall, 13th in easy, and 9th in hard. Psykopathic shot up to first at some point in the hard simulator...but I see some competition now.
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    So is anybody else's points not resetting? I haven't played since last night and the points are still the same they were last night.

    For instance, the IW/Decoy/Decoy missions has been at 400 points and was originally MUCH higher. Does it not reset to the higher points value?
  • NorthernPolarity
    NorthernPolarity Posts: 3,531 Chairperson of the Boards
    Up to 35k in the main bracket (#1), 8k from normal mode, 27k from hard mode. Holding a pretty easy 2nd place in hard mode, so I'm debating whether or not to grind the 230 missions (which are incredibly annoying to grind...). I will probably end up grinding normal mode for the extra iso: theres only a 1k gap between me and the leader, and my C. Storm has been 2/4/3 for a very long time.
  • mags1587
    mags1587 Posts: 1,020 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'm 4th in the hard bracket, 45th in the easy bracket, and mostly just trying to collect the 500 iso rewards at this point. However, the RNG hates me tonight and keeps awarding me 20 iso instead.
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    The points for each node seem to be increasing in marginal amounts (+ 20 points or so) every dozen minutes or so, is this normal?

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