Sir Daktor wrote: Ok, I don't post here much but this made me think how deceiving the devs are. They are getting private messages saying how great everything is and how their terrible business plan is working out? Of course they are, maybe it's just coincidence that we can't see these messages. More made up **** to justify them being greedy and destroying a decent game
GuntherBlobel wrote: Thank you for discussing the changes Sent: Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:30 pm by GuntherBlobel Normally, I would post a message like this in S & F, but it would just be flame-bait at the moment. Thank you for the game! I enjoy it greatly. The new features introduced this year have been the best since the game's start. Thank you for communicating your thought in the video and in the video thread, especially at a difficult time when the loudest voices are sure to be the most negative. I understand that you can't tell us everything that's on your mind and everything that's exciting to come, but I do appreciate that you try to do your best despite the constraints. Keep on doing what you do!
GuntherBlobel wrote: So there it is: conspiracy theory debunked. Does that change your view any?
simonsez wrote: GuntherBlobel wrote: So there it is: conspiracy theory debunked. Does that change your view any? Of course not. We know the board has it's share of Pollyannas. No one doubts the devs got some PMs lauding the recent changes. The skepticism regards the implication that this somehow signifies that the overall attitude towards the changes is anywhere close to balanced.
Alexraven wrote: The point of this thread isn't to show that the opposing viewpoints are balanced.
Alexraven wrote: simonsez wrote: GuntherBlobel wrote: So there it is: conspiracy theory debunked. Does that change your view any? Of course not. We know the board has it's share of Pollyannas. No one doubts the devs got some PMs lauding the recent changes. The skepticism regards the implication that this somehow signifies that the overall attitude towards the changes is anywhere close to balanced. The point of this thread isn't to show that the opposing viewpoints are balanced. Its to ask that the forums be a place where both viewpoints (or any others that fall elsewhere on the spectrum) be able to be expressed publicly without the fear of being jumped for having a different viewpoint than someone else.
mageofshadow wrote: ...but are too afraid to post on the forums for fear of getting flamed.
Kelbris wrote: mageofshadow wrote: ...but are too afraid to post on the forums for fear of getting flamed. What? I'm sorry, what? Adults can't handle someone speaking negatively at them over the internet? Jesus tinykitty Christ, is this tinykitty middle school? "Tina didn't like my art project!" Who tinykitty cares if you get flamed? Brush it off. It's not like a bunch of text on a screen can do anything. Go spend time with the people in your life that actually matter and stop caring about what a bunch of random nobodies on the internet think of you. It's not like MPQ User #6737 is going to help you move. More transparency would help a lot. The biggest source of hate here is players being left in the dark. The devs (at least when I played) are really good at answering a question without actually saying anything, and when they DO answer a question, it's usually a softball question that doesn't really show any of their intents. A lot of the devs act like politicians. It's pretty frustrating. It's been said that they put weeks of discussion into game-changing decisions. Is it really that unreasonable to think that they should be able to back up the decision in a public discussion? Keep in mind that this is the tinykitty internet and you can spend DAYS thinking up a response to something somebody said. Really shouldn't be that hard to address simple questions before a mob mentality forms. By not addressing concerns, it makes people think they can't. That's where the accusations of greed and negligence come into play, where devs are accused of having "no idea" what they're doing.
raisinbman wrote: Kelbris wrote: mageofshadow wrote: ...but are too afraid to post on the forums for fear of getting flamed. What? I'm sorry, what? Adults can't handle someone speaking negatively at them over the internet? Jesus tinykitty Christ, is this tinykitty middle school? "Tina didn't like my art project!" Who tinykitty cares if you get flamed? Brush it off. It's not like a bunch of text on a screen can do anything. Go spend time with the people in your life that actually matter and stop caring about what a bunch of random nobodies on the internet think of you. It's not like MPQ User #6737 is going to help you move. More transparency would help a lot. The biggest source of hate here is players being left in the dark. The devs (at least when I played) are really good at answering a question without actually saying anything, and when they DO answer a question, it's usually a softball question that doesn't really show any of their intents. A lot of the devs act like politicians. It's pretty frustrating. It's been said that they put weeks of discussion into game-changing decisions. Is it really that unreasonable to think that they should be able to back up the decision in a public discussion? Keep in mind that this is the tinykitty internet and you can spend DAYS thinking up a response to something somebody said. Really shouldn't be that hard to address simple questions before a mob mentality forms. By not addressing concerns, it makes people think they can't. That's where the accusations of greed and negligence come into play, where devs are accused of having "no idea" what they're doing. talk is cheap, my ignore list is full of people who are supposedly adults but can't seem to ignore me and move on but instead downvote me at every turn and invade my posts
snlf25 wrote: Yeah, that goes both ways. You obviously haven't read the posts directed towards me because I support the right of people to ask for and receive refunds from apple and google so long as they don't lie about the circumstances. LOL, one guy even accused me of piracy!
Kelbris wrote: raisinbman wrote: Kelbris wrote: mageofshadow wrote: ...but are too afraid to post on the forums for fear of getting flamed. What? I'm sorry, what? Adults can't handle someone speaking negatively at them over the internet? Jesus tinykitty Christ, is this tinykitty middle school? "Tina didn't like my art project!" Who tinykitty cares if you get flamed? Brush it off. It's not like a bunch of text on a screen can do anything. Go spend time with the people in your life that actually matter and stop caring about what a bunch of random nobodies on the internet think of you. It's not like MPQ User #6737 is going to help you move. More transparency would help a lot. The biggest source of hate here is players being left in the dark. The devs (at least when I played) are really good at answering a question without actually saying anything, and when they DO answer a question, it's usually a softball question that doesn't really show any of their intents. A lot of the devs act like politicians. It's pretty frustrating. It's been said that they put weeks of discussion into game-changing decisions. Is it really that unreasonable to think that they should be able to back up the decision in a public discussion? Keep in mind that this is the tinykitty internet and you can spend DAYS thinking up a response to something somebody said. Really shouldn't be that hard to address simple questions before a mob mentality forms. By not addressing concerns, it makes people think they can't. That's where the accusations of greed and negligence come into play, where devs are accused of having "no idea" what they're doing. talk is cheap, my ignore list is full of people who are supposedly adults but can't seem to ignore me and move on but instead downvote me at every turn and invade my posts And this bothers you why? Who cares what they do? Just means you have a fan club. Tbh I have no idea who you are but your signature is a work of art.
If you don't understand why constant harassment would bother someone u prob don't have to experience it on the day to day.
raisinbman wrote: It gets tiring standing up for yourself. Really tiring.
Kelbris wrote: If you don't understand why constant harassment would bother someone u prob don't have to experience it on the day to day. I referee soccer games on the weekend for some extra pocket money; can't exactly say no to $50 for an hour of telling kids not to kick each other. I regularly have at least 5 adults (out of ~30) telling me i did something incorrectly every 5 minutes, and some of them screaming such. When I first started out, I was 21 and hadn't really experienced something like that in person. Now, not only does it not bother me in the slightest, I realize that I have enough experience at my job that these people can't do what I do and generally don't know what they're talking about, so I find it hilarious. The best part is that they get FURIOUS when my response to their venom is a big grin and a chuckle. It's great! raisinbman wrote: It gets tiring standing up for yourself. Really tiring. And yet you have zero obligation to respond to egregious negativity, just like the developers of this game. But at the same time, you shouldn't be afraid of it. It's just white noise. If someone intelligently questions something you said and/or did, by all means give them a response, but there's a difference between "I don't think what you're saying is correct" and "hey you dumb tinykitty douchedick let me know when you have an opinion worth listening to before your posts give me cancer LOL" If someone can't respond to you without getting angry, you shouldn't be upset. Feel bad that they have such an elementary handle of their emotions that they can't conduct themselves in a place where you can read your ENTIRE DAMN MESSAGE before posting it. There's even a preview button!
Raffoon wrote: Kudos to you Gunther for continuing to try and offer constructive criticism. I used to do that. I've even made threads thanking the devs myself as well, back in the day. The thing is, after a while the mistakes from the devs stop being a one-off thing and you begin to see a pattern. Personally, I've reached the end of my patience. We offer solutions, we offer feedback, they say that they're listening, and then they go and bollocks everything up.
daibar wrote: Kelbris wrote: If you don't understand why constant harassment would bother someone u prob don't have to experience it on the day to day. I referee soccer games on the weekend for some extra pocket money; can't exactly say no to $50 for an hour of telling kids not to kick each other. I regularly have at least 5 adults (out of ~30) telling me i did something incorrectly every 5 minutes, and some of them screaming such. When I first started out, I was 21 and hadn't really experienced something like that in person. Now, not only does it not bother me in the slightest, I realize that I have enough experience at my job that these people can't do what I do and generally don't know what they're talking about, so I find it hilarious. The best part is that they get FURIOUS when my response to their venom is a big grin and a chuckle. It's great! raisinbman wrote: It gets tiring standing up for yourself. Really tiring. And yet you have zero obligation to respond to egregious negativity, just like the developers of this game. But at the same time, you shouldn't be afraid of it. It's just white noise. If someone intelligently questions something you said and/or did, by all means give them a response, but there's a difference between "I don't think what you're saying is correct" and "hey you dumb tinykitty douchedick let me know when you have an opinion worth listening to before your posts give me cancer LOL" If someone can't respond to you without getting angry, you shouldn't be upset. Feel bad that they have such an elementary handle of their emotions that they can't conduct themselves in a place where you can read your ENTIRE DAMN MESSAGE before posting it. There's even a preview button! Interesting, I used to ref soccer games from 13 until the end of my teens. After awhile, I realized that directly reffing wasn't worth the effort and abuse and stuck to being a linesman where pay was a little less, but more worth it. I wanted to post that I thought the health changes are overall a good idea and well implemented (Gasp), but couldn't find anywhere that wasn't an echo chamber of people bashing it just because matches were slightly longer. What's the point of posting just to show minor support for an idea if it will just end up being flamebait? It doesn't bring anything new to the table, but lets the martyrs find a target for their negativity. Sometimes you don't have time for arguments, particularly condescending ones that don't even relate to the subject or are filled with straw men. At other times like arondite on raisinbman, there is some valid criticism but it is couched in unnecessarily harsh language which makes it hard to separate the relevant parts between the personal attacks. Also, some people definitely make themselves targets. $50 an hour? You must have some abusive parents, or the game has changed in a few decades. I feel old now.
awaiko wrote: It is this post that finally prompted me to stop lurking and make a forum account. Up to now, I had no desire to wade into the muck, mud and toxicity that I perceived these forums to be. It's good to see the mods attempting to take a stance.