Ben Grimm wrote: PUT TINYKITTY IRON FIST IN THE TINYKITTY DDQ.
camichan wrote: Ben Grimm wrote: PUT TINYKITTY IRON FIST IN THE TINYKITTY DDQ. This. and the RNG cover thing, too.
HulkSmashPotatoes wrote: DAMN YOU BIOWARE!!!
Stax the Foyer wrote: That we only have the ability to sell a changed character for a tiny fraction of the invested resources plays a huge part in the player response. For whatever reason, it's a design decision on the part of the developers to leave players pretty much up a creek after a nerf, and it's not one that I can ever recall them explaining.
bonfire01 wrote: I'll say this though to try and justify what i'm saying.... I posted a thread saying the nerf to Xforce's green essentially wasn't as terrible as ppl thought. I did say I thought it went a bit too far, but was essentially expressing an unpopular opinion. I did, on the other hand, do my best to justify what I said and explain my reasoning (the board shake is pretty damn good and shatter dmg is unchanged. Just a shame they knocked 2k off not 1k). Some ppl agreed with me, some disagreed, some said it was an interesting opinion but they would reserve judgement. I got 1 downvote....
Bowgentle wrote: bonfire01 wrote: I'll say this though to try and justify what i'm saying.... I posted a thread saying the nerf to Xforce's green essentially wasn't as terrible as ppl thought. I did say I thought it went a bit too far, but was essentially expressing an unpopular opinion. I did, on the other hand, do my best to justify what I said and explain my reasoning (the board shake is pretty damn good and shatter dmg is unchanged. Just a shame they knocked 2k off not 1k). Some ppl agreed with me, some disagreed, some said it was an interesting opinion but they would reserve judgement. I got 1 downvote.... Yeah bonfire, but you're also a vet, both in game (retired as you may be), but also on the forums. I'm pretty sure if I posted something like that, I wouldn't get any downvotes either, or Northern Polarity, or some other forum vet. Saying "I agree with the Xforce nerf" or some other stuff when you're not a well known forum personality and/or not very fluent in English is just an invitation for downvotes.
MarvelDestiny wrote: Stax the Foyer wrote: That we only have the ability to sell a changed character for a tiny fraction of the invested resources plays a huge part in the player response. For whatever reason, it's a design decision on the part of the developers to leave players pretty much up a creek after a nerf, and it's not one that I can ever recall them explaining. Bam! That's the 10 ring. Changes I can understand. The devs have a responsibility to the meta game to keep it balanced, playable, and fun. I may not agree with all the changes but the overall theme seems to be balance. Nerfing OP characters, discussions of 'power bands', buffing under-powered ones, wacky mmr/scaling, etc... all point to efforts to find the MPQ-meta sweet spot. Unfortunately the bean counters are stingy when the nerf bat comes 'round. This leaves everyone affected angry and with good cause. FULL refunds of HP and iso should accompany a character reset to its base level when nerfed. This is the only way to make the changes fair. Oh, and to put this in context, I am not affected by the XF nerf -- I only have 2 cvrs. And although I don't like all the changes, I am not hating the destination. Keep looking for the sweet spot guys! PS - Thanks for getting involved mageofshadow, it's a nice change of pace.
Vertigozooropa wrote: I have a lot to say about the changes made to these characters, but I'm not going to say any of them because there are people on this board who can't tell the difference between disagreement and cyber-bullying. Even moderate disagreement right now can get you downvoted, so I'm not going to bother. Rant and rave all you want. I know which of my characters are still good, which ones have gotten better, and which ones I'm excited to level up and try out. I know some characters no longer work exactly as they used to, but maybe that's not entirely a bad thing for the game. Or maybe not. Maybe the whole game is ruined and we should all stop playing right now. Or maybe we should trust the people who do all the math on this game and stop acting so butthurt.
bonfire01 wrote: Vertigozooropa wrote: I have a lot to say about the changes made to these characters, but I'm not going to say any of them because there are people on this board who can't tell the difference between disagreement and cyber-bullying. Even moderate disagreement right now can get you downvoted, so I'm not going to bother. Rant and rave all you want. I know which of my characters are still good, which ones have gotten better, and which ones I'm excited to level up and try out. I know some characters no longer work exactly as they used to, but maybe that's not entirely a bad thing for the game. Or maybe not. Maybe the whole game is ruined and we should all stop playing right now. Or maybe we should trust the people who do all the math on this game and stop acting so butthurt. Thanks for the example! So start by implying your opinion has increased intrinsic value which the plebians on the forum couldn't cope with like adults... you are all cyber bullies after all who can't recognise civilised debate. Suggest everyone is just ranting ad raving... not having valid opinions. State some opinions like facts... you KNOW which heroes are good (citation required) you KNOW which ones are better (citation required) etc etc AND finally..... finish up with a concluding sentence that tells everyone what they SHOULD be doing (no justification) and a parting insult (you're all butthurt, not ppl with opinions meriting discussion). So then.... if I downvote this post because I see no value to it and consider it little more than flamebait (collection of insults/digs of no value and no attempt at justified points which I can only assume has been posted to have a dig at ppl and provoke a negative response) then am I making a reasonable judgement of this post and giving it a thumbs down for specific reasons or am I bullying some poor person so they don't feel they can post (even though they obviously do)?
scottee wrote: I think there's plenty of good things going on in the game right now, but just haven't had time to post as much lately. But I also admit I've been less motivated because of all the negativity. Not because I'm afraid of push back. Fighting trolls with logic is kinda like the MPQ mini-game. But mostly because it's not as fun to be on when much of the first page is filled with the same couple of flame arguments. But good job mods. And if the devs are checking this, I think many of the changes have been for the positive. The MPQ forums are like women. It doesn't matter how many brownie points you've won for doing positive things; as soon as you make one mistake, you're back at -5.
bonfire01 wrote: Bowgentle wrote: bonfire01 wrote: I'll say this though to try and justify what i'm saying.... I posted a thread saying the nerf to Xforce's green essentially wasn't as terrible as ppl thought. I did say I thought it went a bit too far, but was essentially expressing an unpopular opinion. I did, on the other hand, do my best to justify what I said and explain my reasoning (the board shake is pretty damn good and shatter dmg is unchanged. Just a shame they knocked 2k off not 1k). Some ppl agreed with me, some disagreed, some said it was an interesting opinion but they would reserve judgement. I got 1 downvote.... Yeah bonfire, but you're also a vet, both in game (retired as you may be), but also on the forums. I'm pretty sure if I posted something like that, I wouldn't get any downvotes either, or Northern Polarity, or some other forum vet. Saying "I agree with the Xforce nerf" or some other stuff when you're not a well known forum personality and/or not very fluent in English is just an invitation for downvotes. Is that a thing? I'm not saying it's not.... i'm just wondering if it really is.... I'll downvote (what I consider to be) bad posts from anyone and ditto with good posts and upvotes. I also have never released a guide like NP (or MM) so I don't know if I count as a personality. I also don't think the risk of my in game roster retaliating in the forum holds much weight . I honestly think it's the content rather then the poster that impacts ppl's reactions BUT I could also be totally wrong. the only way me being a "vet" matters (or at least the only way I can think of it mattering) is I know a bit more about the game to help me make posts that make sense. A lot of the posts I see downvoted start off with insults, then opinions stated as facts then normally a condescending conclusion (pick one or more of the above as necessary). I even see differences in the reactions to individual posters, either longstanding or new depending on what they write even if all their posts express a similarly pro-dev type opinion. I could give names and example of such ppl and their posts where 2 posts have a very similar message but one gets downvoted and another doesn't but picking out ppl is probably a bad plan (cause they'll probably see it as an attack). Well, all in all I would like a forum with no insults and more discussion. My only issue with the OP is the implication it's an issue of angry vets picking on newbies and ppl with complaints about the changes picking on ppl who are in favour. Just look at that abomination of a thread where pro-dev type posters are accusing ppl who seek refunds of fraud (completely incorrectly) repeatedly for a shining example of how that's not the case. It's just as bad (worse actually) IMO than ppl shouting at poster who like the changes. At least no silly claims about crimes take place (most of the time).