Please OFFICIALLY comment on the Taco Token Stockpiles

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  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    after one 'explanation' and one answer to a question, I'm still not sure the mechanics of the stockpiles. I'd like to know since I am (like many others) targeting certain groups. Ben's suggestion of the ? pull info would solve everything actually. But that would require a change to what they have. I'd just be happy to explain what currently is there.
  • GothicKratos
    GothicKratos Posts: 1,821 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ben Grimm wrote:
    Follow-up question: will the stockpiles re-integrate into the current weeks like they used to? Or will we continue to have a shifting number of stockpiles?

    I'm going to guess no. Here's how I interpreted what he said;

    Taco Tokens used to be called "Token_Token_Week_1" and "Taco_Token_Week_2" (so on, so forth - bundled into even and odd stacks), but for some reason somewhere, they needed to change this names (the simplest reason I can think of is character limit changes in the tool sets? but it could just has well been a desire to make the strings shorter for simplicities sake, or maybe even to change how they're bundled - only the devs know this lol), so now that are called "DP_E" and "DP_O".

    When they tested the migration on their test server, it all worked out okay for current token pools, but something wasn't accounted for in older token identification, and that's why some of the redemption pages were not showing up - not because you lost the tokens, but because those tokens were not pointing to a valid redemption page anymore.

    To fix this, they made a "temporary" page to point all those tokens to, which is why there are not any odds for those tokens.

    Kabir can feel free to correct me if I'm completely off point. xD
  • Xenoberyll
    Xenoberyll Posts: 647 Critical Contributor
    Why this confusing method? Wouldn't it be simpler for everybody if tokens just carried over to the next active pool?
  • SnowcaTT
    SnowcaTT Posts: 3,487 Chairperson of the Boards
    Xenoberyll wrote:
    Why this confusing method? Wouldn't it be simpler for everybody if tokens just carried over to the next active pool?

    I think they wanted to give folks a chance to use their tokens if they forgot. Say you ran day 5 and forgot to use them until day 6 (when they rotated).

    But I agree - if they were ALL just active, I think that would be easier for everyone, and folks would figure out to open them right away. Maybe they have to rotate them to stockpiled in order to change the odds?
  • SnowcaTT
    SnowcaTT Posts: 3,487 Chairperson of the Boards
    TxMoose wrote:
    after one 'explanation' and one answer to a question, I'm still not sure the mechanics of the stockpiles. I'd like to know since I am (like many others) targeting certain groups. Ben's suggestion of the ? pull info would solve everything actually. But that would require a change to what they have. I'd just be happy to explain what currently is there.

    You can find what your tokens currently pull here:
    viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26817

    The problem is it is easy to tell you what your active tokens pull and what your stockpile tokens pull...now there is no way to tell you what the previous "stockpiles" (apparently set at that number forever) pull.

    I also wish they'd just give the "?" and draw possibilities for -all- tokens. I've mentioned this since the second time I saw "what do Taco's draw" type thread....I think I've mentioned it in the ten or so threads that are the same thing since then. These threads will continue to pop up unless they put draw numbers on tokens.
  • veneretio
    veneretio Posts: 76 Match Maker
    SnowcaTT wrote:
    Xenoberyll wrote:
    Why this confusing method? Wouldn't it be simpler for everybody if tokens just carried over to the next active pool?

    I think they wanted to give folks a chance to use their tokens if they forgot. Say you ran day 5 and forgot to use them until day 6 (when they rotated).

    But I agree - if they were ALL just active, I think that would be easier for everyone, and folks would figure out to open them right away. Maybe they have to rotate them to stockpiled in order to change the odds?
    I think it's more likely this is economically motivated.

    They don't want you hoarding 100 tokens then opening them all up on a "good" pool having a chance to completely cover a few heroes. They want you getting new heroes and slowly covering existing heroes so you have incentive to both buy more slots and buy more covers.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    veneretio wrote:
    They don't want you hoarding 100 tokens then opening them all up on a "good" pool having a chance to completely cover a few heroes. They want you getting new heroes and slowly covering existing heroes so you have incentive to both buy more slots and buy more covers.

    If that's the case, they should just put up a warning that taco tokens expire after X amount of time and eliminate the stockpiles. This baroque stuff they're doing with stockpiles is only confusing people. If we can save them, great! If not, tell us that.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Ben Grimm wrote:
    If that's the case, they should just put up a warning that taco tokens expire after X amount of time and eliminate the stockpiles. This baroque stuff they're doing with stockpiles is only confusing people. If we can save them, great! If not, tell us that.
    No tokens in game expire, ever. If they did that you would have another dozen of threads how they 'literally scam people for money' since if you did draw hero you don't have you had only 14 days to find HP for its slot.
  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,687 Chairperson of the Boards
    GothicKratos wrote:
    Ben Grimm wrote:
    Follow-up question: will the stockpiles re-integrate into the current weeks like they used to? Or will we continue to have a shifting number of stockpiles?

    I'm going to guess no. Here's how I interpreted what he said;

    Taco Tokens used to be called "Token_Token_Week_1" and "Taco_Token_Week_2" (so on, so forth - bundled into even and odd stacks), but for some reason somewhere, they needed to change this names (the simplest reason I can think of is character limit changes in the tool sets? but it could just has well been a desire to make the strings shorter for simplicities sake, or maybe even to change how they're bundled - only the devs know this lol), so now that are called "DP_E" and "DP_O".

    When they tested the migration on their test server, it all worked out okay for current token pools, but something wasn't accounted for in older token identification, and that's why some of the redemption pages were not showing up - not because you lost the tokens, but because those tokens were not pointing to a valid redemption page anymore.

    To fix this, they made a "temporary" page to point all those tokens to, which is why there are not any odds for those tokens.

    Kabir can feel free to correct me if I'm completely off point. xD

    That definitely seems like a good explanation - so we have two "old" stacks which aren't integrated because they have a different ID, and two new stacks which will represent all future events. If that's the case, we have these odd stacks out which will be one or the other (you'll have to remember yourself, I suppose,) but that's just going to be a one time thing.

    I hope this is the case.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Nivrax wrote:
    Ben Grimm wrote:
    If that's the case, they should just put up a warning that taco tokens expire after X amount of time and eliminate the stockpiles. This baroque stuff they're doing with stockpiles is only confusing people. If we can save them, great! If not, tell us that.
    No tokens in game expire, ever. If they did that you would have another dozen of threads how they 'literally scam people for money' since if you did draw hero you don't have you had only 14 days to find HP for its slot.

    Event tokens used to turn into heroics. They could do that with the Taco tokens. I'd rather have heroics than mystery stockpiles.
  • Dauthi
    Dauthi Posts: 995 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2015
    *edit*

    I missed snowcatts post. So the theory is that 2 groups are static, while the other 2 will continue to gain tokens normally. So, everything will be normal again once I use all my tokens? I'm hoping IF gets thrown in soon then icon_neutral.gif
  • Arondite
    Arondite Posts: 1,188 Chairperson of the Boards
    Man I just wish I'd get my tokens back at all. 30 tacos down the drain.
  • GothicKratos
    GothicKratos Posts: 1,821 Chairperson of the Boards
    Arondite wrote:
    Man I just wish I'd get my tokens back at all. 30 tacos down the drain.

    Have you contacted CS yet? I know a few people on Line had to do so and I think everyone I saw say something on there got their refunds.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Dauthi wrote:
    *edit*
    I'm hoping IF gets thrown in soon then icon_neutral.gif

    By my math and assumptions, he should be in the Week 14 tokens, likely showing up in 12 days on April 26th.
  • snlf25
    snlf25 Posts: 947 Critical Contributor
    I decided to start clean and opened my 19? tokens.

    3* Human Torch red 5/2/4 need 99,403 iso to level to 140
    3* Falcon purple 4/4/5 13th cover! need 124,614 iso to level to 166
    3* Sentry green 5/5/3 13th cover need 87,347 to level to 166
    3* Captain America red 0/1/0, my main lazy cap is a perfect 3/5/5 and my main go to guy. started another for now, why not?

    Also got:
    3* Hulk red 5/3/5 13th cover the other day, need 108,114 iso to level to 166.

    I really want to finish off Hulk and Falcon and catch up torch. Total cost: 332,131. To finish off Sentry which I don't care about would bring it to 419,478 iso that I need. I have 48,793! There is the problem you guys need to fix. I'm a day 400+ transitioner. You guys want to make it easier for the new guys/transitioners? That's your roadblock. Right there. Iso. just in case you missed it - iso. Not screwing up every matchmaking metric, nerfing every character and boost or raising health points or nerfing shields.
  • Arondite
    Arondite Posts: 1,188 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah, I've emailed them. They closed my first ticket and sent me a survey without checking to see if the problem was fixed, so I emailed them again with the ticket number and they opened a new ticket. Tried to give me a survey again and pretty much just said "it should be fixed by the patch, enjoy!" and I've been persistent. No reply since Friday, so I'm waiting until tomorrow (I know it's 72 hours but I assume that's business day hours).
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    This is super simple...
    Any taco token earned will from the day it is earned until the game ends, will only pull from the same original pool of choices

    Therefore there is 0% reason to wait for opening them.

    The current taco token pool for 4/14/15 is: blade, colossus, human torch, punisher, patch
    If you win a token from this pool, it always ONLY give you a chance for a gold token from among those 5 3* character regardless of whether you open it today, in a month or in a year

    TL:DR OPEN TACO TOKENS ASAP
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    JoshBot3000 wrote:
    This is super simple...
    Any taco token earned will from the day it is earned until the game ends, will only pull from the same original pool of choices

    Therefore there is 0% reason to wait for opening them.

    The current taco token pool for 4/14/15 is: blade, colossus, human torch, punisher, patch
    If you win a token from this pool, it always ONLY give you a chance for a gold token from among those 5 3* character regardless of whether you open it today, in a month or in a year

    TL:DR OPEN TACO TOKENS ASAP

    That isn't how it's worked. Taco tokens rotated in and out of the active pool and changed who they pulled every ten days. There's no reason to necessarily think that has changed. The trouble is a bunch of people have a mystery stockpile that doesn't seem to conform to the rules to date.
  • SnowcaTT
    SnowcaTT Posts: 3,487 Chairperson of the Boards
    I have noticed my stockpiles are in the order of 50-10-50.

    If next week they are 10-50-50 or 50-50-10, it may indicate one of those stacks is related to the other in some order? (IE: they are probably showing up as even-even-odd-odd or odd-odd-even-even)
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    SnowcaTT wrote:
    I have noticed my stockpiles are in the order of 50-10-50.

    If next week they are 10-50-50 or 50-50-10, it may indicate one of those stacks is related to the other in some order? (IE: they are probably showing up as even-even-odd-odd or odd-odd-even-even)

    Have you thought about cashing in a single token out of one of the piles so you can tell them apart?

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