The upcoming X-Force nerf: The final nail in the coffin?

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DeeDee5 wrote:

You've stated a lot of good points Jonny. I was a HUGE fan of this game (this is the only game I play), but the love for it has died extremely. To be honest I was thinking about quitting, but as a Commander, I really care about my alliance and I don't want to see them fail. I'm only playing and hanging in there FOR my alliances. As of now this game isn't as fun as it used to be. The nerfs were out of control IMO.

But Jonny you're right, I do believe this can all turn around. I still have hope for this game and hope they just listen to us. Having a X-Force nerf will kill the game.

It would not kill the game, but it would take most of the fun. Some people would remain loyal.

But as I see things, players are already playing less. My shard is nearly ended, and it takes 600 to be in the Top 10 ? Looks like we are back to 2014 when I was a noob.

Jonny1Punch

Arktos,Dave and DeeDee you ALL bring up excellent points and constructive comments.

This is what I love to see. I don't like any bashing and I prefer people to express their own individual thoughts and ideas in a positive way .

Frankly everything I've seen posted here would be a HUGE upgrade over the current system. It's also clear that many of us care dearly for the game and don't want it to suffer or devolve in any way. This is not a topic I meant to bash D3 or stir the pot that's not my style.

When myself and mischiefmaker pushed hard for expanding the 4* pve reward structure to T100...... We had unbelievable support from you guys and gals. When I woke up to see they actually listened and changed it..... It felt like such a huge victory!!! I wanna see us band together and save PVP and hopefully reverse previous nerfs or cancel the upcoming ones. The game needs a serious makeover and sadly its EVERYTHING. Shields,MMR,PVP/PVE,nerfs and the list goes on and on and on of what needs serious fixes.

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Jameson2014 wrote:

Xforce isn't even a huge problem. He's a great board shaker, but damage wise, he's pretty on par. Dismantling him if far more unreasonable than finding new ways to counter him. Nerfing him is just silly at this point.

The devs need to be more creative than that.

If this were true, then Xforce wouldn't be in 100% of team comps past 200 points.

He's pretty obviously imbalanced.

But I blame D3 for never releasing anyone that could stand up to him and nerfing the one character that came close.

EstherC

i just want to know , is this xforce nerf confirmed?

ThatOneGuyjp189512

my only question about this nerf is: Why?? like...i thought the point of 4*'s is to be more powerful than 3 stars, you don't see them bringing 3*'s down to 2*'s level cause "they're above the power band for 3*'s" Basically by nerfing the only 4* worth a damn(i still maintain that 4hor is still good....just not a 4 star, merely a 3 star with a lot of health). the carrot for me(and a lot of vets) is that they can always go after the next big thing(rags in the beginning, X-Force now, sentry and Cmags before him and 4hor...list goes on) like....what are you doing? do you even play your own game? at all? the way you guys have been nerfing characters(putting poor sentry to featured pvp status...granted he really needed to be nerfed...but not that bad). the Cmags "nerf" tells me that you guys CAN actually change a character without completely destroying him, i still see him in a lot of teams, especially with X-force cause he's still an awesome character with insane synergy with XF. Then there's the other side of the coin, you guys seem to be developing a habit of nerfing character even before release(Wheels and Quicksilver) and it's just...like...you guys don't play your own game at high levels. at all. I implore you....please rethink what you think is a need to nerf the only 4* worth leveling, 4 star characters are SUPPOSED to be more powerful, that's the point of calling them "legendary" and so far the only one's i've seen is X-force, PX and pre nerf 4hor, and now the only try 4 star left will be PX and he's only good cause he's basically a 4 star falcon....which is not viable without the right team....just....please...listen to us for once.

Bman66

Bman66 here and I have about 450 days under my belt. I was in the x-men for about 8 months playing this game about as competitive as they come and I have certainly put money in. I am really unimpressed by the way d3 has been going about all this, waiting for players to spend countless dollars earned and precious time grinding away to get these nearly impossible characters. I spent money on magneto for this great synergy team.... Nerfed......... I spend money on sentry........ Nerfed...... I spend money on she Thor....... Nerfed.... I spend money on iron fist immediately nerfed... This trend has to stop, it's very apparent that this is all done because d3 wants lots of money's. You keep investing only to be let down by the next wave of money suck and I for one will absolutely not waste another penny on this game just to have it thrown away or to be offered a reimbursement of only 1/10th of what I paid for a character after I've already maxed it... So my final plea to you d3 after I've stood by pretty patiently over this last year while this has been making me furious is to stop doing this to us or you will lose your customer base who play steadily like me.
Thanks, bman66

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I agree so much with most of the points you raise Jonny, and much of it echos a similar post I made the other day.

1) If XF is by far the best character in the game, the issue is that all the other 4*s are underpowered. XF should be better than the 3* characters, in the same way that 3*s should be better than the 2* characters. At the moment, we have 1 4* character that stands above the 3*s. Buff, Electra, buff Starlord, buff IW, otherwise what's the point?

2) The problem that so many guys here recognise, but the devs fail to acknowledge, is that there needs to be more differentiation in the game. It makes no sense for everyone to play the same events with the same rewards. Until they actually work out some way of incentivising all levels of players with rewards and goals that are tailored to their current standing, then all the other buffs and nerfs are meaningless. Scrap the scaling and rethink the events and shards themselves. Then they can tinker with a newbie experience without impacting the vets. They devs need to properly understand that the different levels have different requirements, and trying to knock all those different shaped pegs through one hole doesn't work.

sc0ville

Just adding my voice to the chorus of "if they nerf X-Force, that's the final straw I'll need to quit the game."

I'd miss my alliance, but I'll have received mpq's message: "we don't want you to enjoy the game and any time you spent earning something will be wiped away on a whim."

If mpq feels that xf is out of balance, create characters to compete with him, don't destroy him. I'm furious at even the notion that this is a possibility. I usually don't post in speculation threads but this has me annoyed.

Kiamodo

What's the nerf?!?

PLBIV

Well said!!!!

Not to add to the pile of **** that needs fixing ahead of a beloved X-Force character, but I just got the 3* Loki reward from the Quicksilver PVE. A little over 24 hours after starting in S1. You progression rewards need a little help. How about 250 HP when you get 2x past the 3*, 2000 ISO at 3x and a 4* at 4x?

And a side note on topic: what's the point of having 4* characters if the people without them aren't complaining about how difficult it is to beat them?

Phaserhawk

Looks like they stealth nerfed. My X-Force no longer steals AP on Surgical Strike but everything else remained the same. So is that the nerf? If so I can deal with that.

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Honestly, will probably be mine.

This game is just too wishy washy and meh. I'm not mad at the money I've put into this game, but its run its course tbh.

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Before making any more changes or Nerfing more characters They should make an event called no more NERFS.
A pvp event where all nerfed characters go back to their original state so they can see how they would stack up to the buffed xforce and see the diversity of characters being used
(Try sentry bombing now lol) I believe this would give the devs a better idea as into what direction to go in. I believe we now have enough roster depth to UN-NERF previous characters and if anything re-tweak them a bit

Nylarx

I had an alliance member use Surgical Strike, and it still generated AP for them.
I do not have a Xforce myself (1/4/1), but I still think that he shouldn't be nerfed. Because they have the 270 character in their arsenal, their PvE difficulty is increased, so the compensation should be that you do better in PvP. If he gets nerfed to the ground, then what is the point of having him?

donietsche

surgical still works as usual, it was a false alarm. I really don't think (= I hope not) they would stealth nerf him out of the blue...

Mawtful

This too will pass.

Whales can max a character before the official release now. Demiurge doesn't need non-paying veterans; "your kind aren't welcome here".
Even if everyone on this forum quits the game, it will be nothing more than a blip on their bottom line for April. The Avengers return to the big screen soon; they'll bring a whole wave of new players and fat wallets.

There'll still be a best team after X Force though. A team of new characters that you don't have yet, so you can choose to play back-to-back events or just buy a bunch of those 42-packs.

Druss

Either take away ss drain or gain. Xforce rework done. I don't see where a complete rework would be necessary.

Where's the fun in that?

Surely a better re-work is make green cost 30 & do 5 damage a tile

Make Black cost 30 & no drain or damage

Make yellow damage x-force instead of healing him.

This is more in keeping with the nerfs that D3 like - just take Rags - was so easy to keep Red/Green same + add weakfish Blue true-heal, but no they made him THE worst 3* in the game (yes, including Beast). When did you last use Sentry in a non-essential node?

I bet my nerf is closer to the mark than yours. lol.

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My final nail in the coffin was actually after this slew of character releases where D3 clearly showed they don't care about the time requirement this game requires because they're so stingy with rewards. It forced people who want to compete to probably spend like 50+ hours on ONE pve for maybe 3-4 of 13 covers making a character still useless in the scheme of things.

After thousands of Hours Johnny, (not 100s) all your work is for a pile of rubbish trophy when D3 needs to ruin your current stock so you'll want the new shiny.

They really don't get it. They don't care and they have accountants running / ruining the show. Well guess what, the game is on a fast decline, it's got bad reviews everywhere. There are many many better/more fun more generous and less time consuming options out there, some with major brand licenses as well.

It's too bad they're smearing the marvel name into the mud.

It's too bad they were more concerned with how to make money than how to make a better game. If you focus first on making a better game the money will come. People who feel ripped off and misled with their time and purchases will not come back and will certainly not advertise on your behalf. No one go to the comicon booth. They haven't shown any fan love to deserve it

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An X force need would be extremely irresponsible move by the developers. He has been in the current state for a long time & he has to be the character that has generated the highest amount of income for the game. It's pretty reckless to ruin a character that thousands of players have spent that much money on. It's not the players fault that the developers are too incompetent to make the other 4*s playable. I was stuck in the 3 to 4 transition and spent the money to speed it up and having that investment in the game thrown away would be very angering.

The day XF nerf hits I am done & I think a lot of others are in the same boat.

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Mawtful wrote:

This too will pass.

Whales can max a character before the official release now. Demiurge doesn't need non-paying veterans; "your kind aren't welcome here".
Even if everyone on this forum quits the game, it will be nothing more than a blip on their bottom line for April. The Avengers return to the big screen soon; they'll bring a whole wave of new players and fat wallets.

There'll still be a best team after X Force though. A team of new characters that you don't have yet, so you can choose to play back-to-back events or just buy a bunch of those 42-packs.

Noobs won't stay for long with a broken game.

You liked Avengers? Awesome! Here's a 1* tinykitty Ironman that sucks. Hulk? Awesome! You'll have a playable version in 9 months!