Arondite wrote: papa07 wrote: Arondite wrote: And blade is wayyyy too higH How do you figure? There are only 6 on that list that I would consider moving ahead of Blade and I don't think any of them are sure things to be ahead of him He's got very little of the most important high-end pvp qualities He's not fast. He's not consistent. He's got no in-built sustainability. Out of the heroes ranked lower than he is, I'd say he's definitively less useful on the high-end than Black Panther Magneto Luke Cage Loki Deadpool Cyclops Kamala Khan and he's questionably or situationally less useful than Captain America Hulk Rocket and Groot Doctor Doom It's not that Blade is a bad character or anything, but I'm pretty sure a lot of voters voted on him with their hearts instead of their heads.
papa07 wrote: Arondite wrote: And blade is wayyyy too higH How do you figure? There are only 6 on that list that I would consider moving ahead of Blade and I don't think any of them are sure things to be ahead of him
Arondite wrote: And blade is wayyyy too higH
MrGame004 wrote: Would be awesome if we all could help out and have Recommended Build(s) or Best Build(s) added to the rankings.
Osaic wrote: Blade is high risk, high reward, but I use him a lot. Way more than most of the other characters below him in the ranking. ... Penalizing him for his reliance on a red board doesn't seem fair to me. For most characters, getting a board devoid of their desired color is going to slow them down, too. If I play LDaken and don't get green matches early, he's slow. Same with Grocket and Blue. Or LThor or GSWidow and Green. Same for Cap without Red or Blue, etc. And no, Blade can't really build up his weapons across colors in the same way that Cyc or Thor can, but building the right sequence of AP growth with those characters can be slow, too. That's why rainbow teams are a good strategy. If the board is bad in red, it's good in something else! ... (Plus he's fun)
daibar wrote: Osaic wrote: Blade is high risk, high reward, but I use him a lot. Way more than most of the other characters below him in the ranking. ... Penalizing him for his reliance on a red board doesn't seem fair to me. For most characters, getting a board devoid of their desired color is going to slow them down, too. If I play LDaken and don't get green matches early, he's slow. Same with Grocket and Blue. Or LThor or GSWidow and Green. Same for Cap without Red or Blue, etc. And no, Blade can't really build up his weapons across colors in the same way that Cyc or Thor can, but building the right sequence of AP growth with those characters can be slow, too. That's why rainbow teams are a good strategy. If the board is bad in red, it's good in something else! ... (Plus he's fun) I find the problem isn't just that you need a red board, but you also need the AI to not match red. It makes Blade way more conditional. With Daken, if you don't get green, you can match purple or black and make him the healing tank while you feed other character's abilities. Daken's reliance on green matches is tempered by the fact that you can match purple, black, green, or blue, and it's still useful. Blade is fast sometimes, slow sometimes. Totally agreed on high risk/high reward.
jimstarooney wrote: MrGame004 wrote: Would be awesome if we all could help out and have Recommended Build(s) or Best Build(s) added to the rankings. Ill start on any im qualified to comment on.others may disagree but most of my guys i have tried a few builds and these are theones i have settled on.these are all 3 stars since i wont keep anything lower Gsbw 535 Cap 355 Daken 544 Daredevil 355 Deadpool 553 Magneto 355 Spidey 355 Hood 553 Hulk 535 Thor 355 Patch 535 Falcon 553 Punisher 553 Blade 355 Storm 535 Cap marvel 355 Black panther 535 Iron man 552 or 551 never 553 Sentry 535
Unreallystic wrote: daibar wrote: Osaic wrote: Blade is high risk, high reward, but I use him a lot. Way more than most of the other characters below him in the ranking. ... Penalizing him for his reliance on a red board doesn't seem fair to me. For most characters, getting a board devoid of their desired color is going to slow them down, too. If I play LDaken and don't get green matches early, he's slow. Same with Grocket and Blue. Or LThor or GSWidow and Green. Same for Cap without Red or Blue, etc. And no, Blade can't really build up his weapons across colors in the same way that Cyc or Thor can, but building the right sequence of AP growth with those characters can be slow, too. That's why rainbow teams are a good strategy. If the board is bad in red, it's good in something else! ... (Plus he's fun) I find the problem isn't just that you need a red board, but you also need the AI to not match red. It makes Blade way more conditional. With Daken, if you don't get green, you can match purple or black and make him the healing tank while you feed other character's abilities. Daken's reliance on green matches is tempered by the fact that you can match purple, black, green, or blue, and it's still useful. Blade is fast sometimes, slow sometimes. Totally agreed on high risk/high reward. Agreed, but I think the bigger thing is simply that its the opposite of everyone else. It's not about making matches like with Daken, its about preventing them, which is harder - as the more there are, the worse the cascade potential. It balances against Daken in that its passive, you can do anything and get the ST, but with daken you have ot make a specific match to get it - so its not 'borked', but it makes 'red starved' boards HORRIBLE for Blade. I just want to reiterate that he should have some form of true healing too...why does Wolverine get all the fun? - Unreeall
MrGame004 wrote: Here's what we've got so far. Please everyone add your two cents: 7) 3* Daken Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 (for max health benefits) or 4/5/4 (for extra damamge) 9) 3* Wolverine (Patch) Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 (for hulk bombing) or 3/5/5 (more balance build. Less dangerous. Works well with Daredevil, Loki, and Falcon, and She-Hulk. 15) 3* Loki Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 17) 3* Hulk Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 18) 3* Cyclops Recommended Build(s): 5/4/4 (balance build) or 3/5/5 (Works well with Captain America) 20) 3* Rocket and Groot Recommended Build(s): 4/5/4 (Balance build) 37) 3* Storm (Mohawk) Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 (pve) 41) 3* Iron Man (Model 40) Recommended Build(s): 5/5/2 or 5/5/3 43) 2* Storm (classic) Recommended Build(s): 5/4/4 (balanced build) 45) 2* Thor Recommended Build(s): 4/5/4 (balanced build) 48) 2* Daken Recommended Build(s): 4/5/4 54) 2* Hawkeye (modern) Recommended Build(s): 5/5 55) 2* Human Torch Recommended Build(s):5/5/4 or 5/4/4 60) 1* Storm (modern) Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 61) 1* Black Widow (Modern) Recommended Build(s):5/5 63) 1* Venom Recommended Build(s): 5/5
raisinbman wrote: daibar wrote: Osaic wrote: Blade is high risk, high reward, but I use him a lot. Way more than most of the other characters below him in the ranking. ... Penalizing him for his reliance on a red board doesn't seem fair to me. For most characters, getting a board devoid of their desired color is going to slow them down, too. If I play LDaken and don't get green matches early, he's slow. Same with Grocket and Blue. Or LThor or GSWidow and Green. Same for Cap without Red or Blue, etc. And no, Blade can't really build up his weapons across colors in the same way that Cyc or Thor can, but building the right sequence of AP growth with those characters can be slow, too. That's why rainbow teams are a good strategy. If the board is bad in red, it's good in something else! ... (Plus he's fun) I find the problem isn't just that you need a red board, but you also need the AI to not match red. It makes Blade way more conditional. With Daken, if you don't get green, you can match purple or black and make him the healing tank while you feed other character's abilities. Daken's reliance on green matches is tempered by the fact that you can match purple, black, green, or blue, and it's still useful. Blade is fast sometimes, slow sometimes. Totally agreed on high risk/high reward. Blade is no risk, don't need a red board Unreallystic wrote: daibar wrote: Osaic wrote: Blade is high risk, high reward, but I use him a lot. Way more than most of the other characters below him in the ranking. ... Penalizing him for his reliance on a red board doesn't seem fair to me. For most characters, getting a board devoid of their desired color is going to slow them down, too. If I play LDaken and don't get green matches early, he's slow. Same with Grocket and Blue. Or LThor or GSWidow and Green. Same for Cap without Red or Blue, etc. And no, Blade can't really build up his weapons across colors in the same way that Cyc or Thor can, but building the right sequence of AP growth with those characters can be slow, too. That's why rainbow teams are a good strategy. If the board is bad in red, it's good in something else! ... (Plus he's fun) I find the problem isn't just that you need a red board, but you also need the AI to not match red. It makes Blade way more conditional. With Daken, if you don't get green, you can match purple or black and make him the healing tank while you feed other character's abilities. Daken's reliance on green matches is tempered by the fact that you can match purple, black, green, or blue, and it's still useful. Blade is fast sometimes, slow sometimes. Totally agreed on high risk/high reward. Agreed, but I think the bigger thing is simply that its the opposite of everyone else. It's not about making matches like with Daken, its about preventing them, which is harder - as the more there are, the worse the cascade potential. It balances against Daken in that its passive, you can do anything and get the ST, but with daken you have ot make a specific match to get it - so its not 'borked', but it makes 'red starved' boards HORRIBLE for Blade. I just want to reiterate that he should have some form of true healing too...why does Wolverine get all the fun? - Unreeall Don't give him true healing, he'll become a nerf target then
1 4* Wolverine (X-Force) 2 3* Thor 3 4* Thor 4 4* Professor X 5 3* The Hood6 4* Nick Fury 7 3* Daken 8 3* Iron Fist 9 3* Wolverine (Patch) 10 3* Blade 11 3* Black Panther 12 3* Magneto (classic)13 3* Luke Cage 14 3* Captain America15 3* Loki 16 3* Deadpool 17 3* Hulk 18 3* Cyclops 19 4* Kingpin 20 3* Rocket and Groot21 3* Kamala Khan 22 3* Doctor Doom 23 3* Human Torch 24 4* Devil Dinosaur 25 3* Falcon 26 4* Star-lord 27 3* Punisher 28 3* Captain Marvel29 4* Electra 30 3* Black Widow (grey suit) 31 3* Daredevil 32 3* Mystique 33 3* Psylocke 34 3* Colossus 35 2* Black Widow (original) 36 3* Sentry37 3* Storm (Mohawk) 38 3* Gamora 39 3* Squirrel Girl 40 3* Spider-Man 41 3* Iron Man (Model 40) 42 2* Ares 43 2* Storm (classic) 44 3* She-Hulk 45 2* Thor 46 3* Ragnarok 47 2* Magneto (Marvel Now) 48 2* Daken 49 2* Wolverine (Astonishing) 50 3* Doctor Octopus51 4* Invisible Woman52 3* Beast 53 2* Captain Marvel 54 2* Hawkeye (modern) 55 2* Human Torch 56 1* Juggernaut 57 2* Captain America 58 2* Moonstone 59 2* Bullseye 60 1* Storm (modern) 61 1* Black Widow (Modern) 62 1* Iron Man (Model 35) 63 1* Venom 64 1* Hawkeye (classic) 65 2* Bag Man 66 1* Yelena Belova
MrGame004 wrote: Here's what we've got so far. Please everyone add your two cents: ****Updated***** 1) 4* Wolverine (X-Force) Recommended Build(s): pending change 2) 3* Thor Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 3) 4* Thor Recommended Build(s): 4) 4* Professor X Recommended Build(s): 5) 3* The Hood Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 3/5/5 (paired with countdown generators) 6) 4* Nick Fury Recommended Build(s): 7) 3* Daken Recommended Build(s): 5/x/x personal peference 8) 3* Iron Fist Recommended Build(s): 9) 3* Wolverine (Patch) Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 (for hulk bombing) or 3/5/5 (if patch tanks colors) 10) 3* Blade Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 (for pvp) or 3/5/5 (for pve) 11) 3* Black Panther Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 12) 3* Magneto (classic) Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 13) 3* Luke Cage Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 (Works good with The Hood, Captain America, and Kamala. Tanks yellow, and provides strong protect tile) or 5/3/5 (Max damage) 14) 3* Captain America Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 15) 3* Loki Recommended Build(s): 4/4/5 (balanced build) 5/3/5 16) 3* Deadpool Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 or 3/5/5 17) 3* Hulk Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 18) 3* Cyclops Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 5/4/4 3/5/5 19) 4* Kingpin Recommended Build(s): 20) 3* Rocket and Groot Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 or 3/5/5 21) 3* Kamala Khan Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 22) 3* Doctor Doom Recommended Build(s): 23) 3* Human Torch Recommended Build(s): 5/4/4 (Balanced build) 24) 4* Devil Dinosaur Recommended Build(s): 25) 3* Falcon Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 26) 4* Star-lord Recommended Build(s): 27) 3* Punisher Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 or 3/5/5 28) 3* Captain Marvel Recommended Build(s): 29) 4* Electra Recommended Build(s): 30) 3* Black Widow (grey suit) Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 31) 3* Daredevil Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 (works good with Patch or Daken) 3/5/5 (worrks good with cycolps 32) 3* Mystique Recommended Build(s): 33) 3* Psylocke Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 34) 3* Colossus Recommended Build(s): 35) 2* Black Widow (original) Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 36) 3* Sentry Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 or 5/5/3 (with the hood) 37) 3* Storm (Mohawk) Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 (extra punch) 5/5/3 (good in pve) 38) 3* Gamora Recommended Build(s): 39) 3* Squirrel Girl Recommended Build(s): 40) 3* Spider-Man Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 41) 3* Iron Man (Model 40) Recommended Build(s): 5/5/1 Best 5/5/2 Balanced 5/5/3 Worse 42) 2* Ares Recommended Build(s): 4/4/5 43) 2* Storm (classic) Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 (extra punch) or 5/4/4 (balanced) 44) 3* She-Hulk Recommended Build(s): pending change 45) 2* Thor Recommended Build(s): 4/5/4 (balanced build) 3/5/5 (transition build) 46) 3* Ragnarok Recommended Build(s): 47) 2* Magneto (Marvel Now) Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 48) 2* Daken Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 49) 2* Wolverine (Astonishing) Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 50) 3* Doctor Octopus Recommended Build(s): pending changes 51) 4* Invisible Woman Recommended Build(s): pending changes 52) 3* Beast Recommended Build(s): pending changes 53) 2* Captain Marvel Recommended Build(s): 54) 2* Hawkeye (modern) Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 55) 2* Human Torch Recommended Build(s):5/x/x personal preference 56) 1* Juggernaut Recommended Build(s): 5/5 57) 2* Captain America Recommended Build(s): 3/5/5 58) 2* Moonstone Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 or 5/3/5 (PVE and with Doom or Hood) 59) 2* Bullseye Recommended Build(s): 5/5 60) 1* Storm (modern) Recommended Build(s): 5/3/5 or 5/5/3 61) 1* Black Widow (Modern) Recommended Build(s): 2/5 (for faster steals) or 5/5 62) 1* Iron Man (Model 35) Recommended Build(s): 5/5/3 63) 1* Venom Recommended Build(s): 4/5 (for faster stuns) or 5/5 64) 1* Hawkeye (classic) Recommended Build(s): 5/5 65) 2* Bag Man Recommended Build(s): Doesn't really matter but 4/4/5 is balanced 66) 1* Yelena Belova Recommended Build(s): Doesn't really matter 5/5
morph3us wrote: Just wanted to point out that there's a case for a 5/5/3 Mohawk build, particularly if you pair her with a strike tile generator. There's better internal synergy in terms of AP generation with 5 green and 5 yellow. If you MotE first, and remove the TU ap from the board, a subsequent Lightning Storm is more likely to generate meaningful matches and cascades. Hailstorm with 3 black will still output a good amount of damage when paired with strike tiles. Having said that, if you're focusing more on a damage build, then 5/3/5 is better. With regards to Blade, I think what raisin is trying to say is that 5/5/3 is a useful build as well, and therefore less red dependent. Personally, I favour 3/5/5 myself too, the internal synergy of that build when the board favours it is pretty crazy.
Arondite wrote: Oh god
Vhailorx wrote: I also think its silly that lazy daken is above patch in this list. He doesn't have the damage output or the reliable regen of patch. he's a very useful character, and there were many months while he was vaulted that I really wish I had him for my early pvp climsbs. But he just doesn't put out the damage (or ap theft) necessary to play at the high end of pvp or against super-scaled pve opponents. he seems more like a top 15 or top 20 character than a top 10.
swingking03 wrote: Trying to decide who to level next: 2/5/5 Cmags or 5/5/3 Black Panther. Is having only 3 blacks with BP a deal breaker?
papa07 wrote: jimstarooney wrote: MrGame004 wrote: Would be awesome if we all could help out and have Recommended Build(s) or Best Build(s) added to the rankings. Ill start on any im qualified to comment on.others may disagree but most of my guys i have tried a few builds and these are theones i have settled on.these are all 3 stars since i wont keep anything lower Gsbw 535 Cap 355 Daken 544 Daredevil 355 Deadpool 553 Magneto 355 Spidey 355 Hood 553 Hulk 535 Thor 355 Patch 535 Falcon 553 Punisher 553 Blade 355 Storm 535 Cap marvel 355 Black panther 535 Iron man 552 or 551 never 553 Sentry 535 Punisher can be 355 as well and Daken can be 5xx depending on healing preference, but I agree with 544. I concur on the rest Doom 535 Torch 544 (5xx is acceptable depending on desire for Green v Black) Psylocke 535 Loki 445 Cyclops 535 Rocket 535 Gamora 535 Cage 535 Colossus 355 Iron Fist 355 Squirrel 355 Rags 355 Kamala 355 Quick 535 Mystique x5x (not sure how to split the 8 between Purple and Black) SheHulk 535 (not sure if this changes with the buff) Beast 553 (not sure if this changes with the buff) Doc Ock ??? My take on the rest of the 3stars.