Interim character rankings - the results
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The biggest change to me isn't to XF (at first), its the health change. I've been saying for months that some characters are left out in the cold simply because of health (like Punisher and GSBW). I wonder how the health increase will affect their placing now that GSBW now has the CHANCE to generate enough green to blow someone's head off. This will also ramp up the effect of protect tiles, while shrinking the effect of strike tiles. Daken can live longer, but his strike tiles didn't get stronger, so ultimately their value dropped by "up to 1/3". Someone like The Hood just got that much harder to put down, and heals have a chance now of being effective.
PvP will rely more on True Healing more now than ever as people will get hit with bigger and nastier stuff more often now.
This should look goof for BP too...and Blade...
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Unreallystic wrote:The biggest change to me isn't to XF (at first), its the health change. I've been saying for months that some characters are left out in the cold simply because of health (like Punisher and GSBW). I wonder how the health increase will affect their placing now that GSBW now has the CHANCE to generate enough green to blow someone's head off. This will also ramp up the effect of protect tiles, while shrinking the effect of strike tiles. Daken can live longer, but his strike tiles didn't get stronger, so ultimately their value dropped by "up to 1/3". Someone like The Hood just got that much harder to put down, and heals have a chance now of being effective.
PvP will rely more on True Healing more now than ever as people will get hit with bigger and nastier stuff more often now.
This should look goof for BP too...and Blade...
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Strike tiles and true healers are still king, no change was made to damage only health. I see Hood doing more as matches go for longer.
First thing that comes to mind is Kamala just got bumped up as well0 -
One of the cool things Mischiefmaker did was the heat map of votes. I don't know whether your data can be easily put in that format, but if it can it would be nice to see.0
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Spiritclaw wrote:One of the cool things Mischiefmaker did was the heat map of votes. I don't know whether your data can be easily put in that format, but if it can it would be nice to see.0
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I have been on a Deadpool only hiatus for the past 2 weeks, so I am not as up to date as usual. What are opinions for best builds on the new characters
XF - old 5/5/3, new 5/5/3
IW - old 3/5/5, new
Beast - old 5/5/3, new
Doc Ock - old 5/5/3, new
She Hulk - old 5/3/5, new
Appreciate the thoughts and conversation and big thanks to the OP for doing the survey0 -
papa07 wrote:I have been on a Deadpool only hiatus for the past 2 weeks, so I am not as up to date as usual. What are opinions for best builds on the new characters
XF - old 5/5/3, new 5/5/3
IW - old 3/5/5, new
Beast - old 5/5/3, new
Doc Ock - old 5/5/3, new
She Hulk - old 5/3/5, new
Appreciate the thoughts and conversation and big thanks to the OP for doing the survey
you'll probably have better luck in their respective character threads, but at least for X-force I've seen people talk about 3/5/5 for damage. 5/5/3 may not be the best damage but you've got alot of board shakeup.0 -
I've asked for the raw excel data; could it be posted to google docs or something? A heat map is pretty easy using conditional mapping.
Under analyze, at the top left there is an export spreadsheet button. Export it to excel or csv.
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raisinbman wrote:Spiritclaw wrote:One of the cool things Mischiefmaker did was the heat map of votes. I don't know whether your data can be easily put in that format, but if it can it would be nice to see.
That's too bad, I liked his threads. (I'm assuming you weren't accusing me of harassing anyone?)0 -
Those two 4*s in the middle kind of weird me out, Starlord is pretty bad for a 4* but he isn't GSBW / Daredevil level bad, while Elektra (especially pre-buff Elektra) is like Beast/IW level
The rest of it looks about right, although the health changes are going to shake things up for sure0 -
Spiritclaw wrote:raisinbman wrote:Spiritclaw wrote:One of the cool things Mischiefmaker did was the heat map of votes. I don't know whether your data can be easily put in that format, but if it can it would be nice to see.
That's too bad, I liked his threads. (I'm assuming you weren't accusing me of harassing anyone?)
i don't recognize your name, but no I'm not accusinggamar wrote:Those two 4*s in the middle kind of weird me out, Starlord is pretty bad for a 4* but he isn't GSBW / Daredevil level bad, while Elektra (especially pre-buff Elektra) is like Beast/IW level
The rest of it looks about right, although the health changes are going to shake things up for sure
They're bad even after patch, Kingpin Professor X > Invisible Woman > Rest0 -
If anyone wants to have a go at a heatmap or similar, the excel data is below - If you copy and paste into excel the formatting should work, it does for me anyway.
Q1-1 Q1-2 Q1-3 Q1-4 Q1-5 Q1-6 Q1-7 Q1-8 Q1-9 Q1-10 Q1-11 Q1-12 Q1-13 Q1-14 Q1-15 Q1-16 Q1-17 Q1-18 Q1-19 Q1-20 Q1-21 Q1-22 Q1-23 Q1-24 Q1-25 Q1-26 Q1-27 Q1-28 Q1-29 Q1-30 Q1-31 Q1-32 Q1-33 Q1-34 Q1-35 Q1-36 Q1-37 Q1-38 Q1-39 Q1-40 Q1-41 Q1-42 Q1-43 Q1-44 Q1-45 Q1-46 Q1-47 Q1-48 Q1-49 Q1-50 Q1-51 Q1-52 Q1-53 Q1-54 Q1-55 Q1-56 Q1-57 Q1-58 Q1-59 Q1-60 Q1-61 Q1-62 Q1-63 Q1-64 Q1-65 Q1-66
Best to worst
4* Wolverine (X-Force) 4* Thor 3* Thor 4* Nick Fury 3* Daken 3* Black Panther 3* Captain America 3* The Hood 3* Magneto (classic) 3* Blade 3* Wolverine (Patch) 3* Deadpool 3* Hulk 4* Devil Dinosaur 3* Captain Marvel 3* Human Torch 3* Sentry 3* Punisher 3* Falcon 3* Mystique 3* Black Widow (grey suit) 3* Rocket and Groot 3* Loki 3* Colossus 3* Psylocke 3* Daredevil 3* Gamora 3* Doctor Doom 2* Black Widow (original) 3* Iron Man (Model 40) 3* Spider-Man 3* Storm (Mohawk) 2* Ares 3* She-Hulk 3* Ragnarok 4* Invisible Woman 3* Doctor Octopus 2* Storm (classic) 2* Thor 3* Beast 2* Daken 2* Magneto (Marvel Now) 2* Wolverine (Astonishing) 2* Hawkeye (modern) 2* Human Torch 2* Captain Marvel 2* Captain America 1* Juggernaut 2* Bullseye 2* Moonstone 1* Black Widow (Modern) 1* Storm (modern) 1* Iron Man (Model 35) 2* Bag Man 1* Hawkeye (classic) 1* Venom 1* Yelena Belova 4* Kingpin 3* Kamala Khan 4* Professor X 3* Iron Fist 3* Cyclops 4* Star-lord 3* Squirrel Girl 4* Electra 3* Luke Cage Date taken Your tracking code First name Last name E-mail address Custom entry Launch Code Country Code Region Code
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Here's a link to the data in a google doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
I didn't do any other formatting but at least it's in a table now0 -
Wish I had seen the google doc before I started editing an excel. Having trouble fitting the image into a 700px wide heat map.
Couldn't quite do it while keeping the numbers. Too many heroes!
Wider heat map: http://i.imgur.com/FIEEwA8.png
This is raw data, even keeping troll data (eg the person who voted Yelena as 2nd).
Edited post on first page.0 -
One things that's pretty striking is 104/116 votes for X-Force at 1st, over 90% of people agreed that X-Force was top dog after Thor4's nerf.
Another interesting disagreement is IF. Despite having quite a number of high votes, IF is hampered by the need to have a channel for his black AP and his low Health (compared to Thors). There also seem to have been 5 default votes (non sorted) +1 close to default dragging him down since he's a new character. Will need to filter these out in further analysis.0 -
After removing the 5 default votes (keeping other anger votes), the new rankings are:
1 4* Wolverine (X-Force)
2 3* Thor
3 4* Thor
4 4* Professor X
5 3* The Hood
6 4* Nick Fury
7 3* Daken
8 3* Iron Fist
9 3* Wolverine (Patch)
10 3* Blade
11 3* Black Panther
12 3* Magneto (classic)
13 3* Luke Cage
14 3* Captain America
15 3* Loki
16 3* Deadpool
17 3* Hulk
18 3* Cyclops
19 4* Kingpin
20 3* Rocket and Groot
21 3* Kamala Khan
22 3* Doctor Doom
23 3* Human Torch
24 4* Devil Dinosaur
25 3* Falcon
26 4* Star-lord
27 3* Punisher
28 3* Captain Marvel
29 4* Electra
30 3* Black Widow (grey suit)
31 3* Daredevil
32 3* Mystique
33 3* Psylocke
34 3* Colossus
35 2* Black Widow (original)
36 3* Sentry
37 3* Storm (Mohawk)
38 3* Gamora
39 3* Squirrel Girl
40 3* Spider-Man
41 3* Iron Man (Model 40)
42 2* Ares
43 2* Storm (classic)
44 3* She-Hulk
45 2* Thor
46 3* Ragnarok
47 2* Magneto (Marvel Now)
48 2* Daken
49 2* Wolverine (Astonishing)
50 3* Doctor Octopus
51 4* Invisible Woman
52 3* Beast
53 2* Captain Marvel
54 2* Hawkeye (modern)
55 2* Human Torch
56 1* Juggernaut
57 2* Captain America
58 2* Moonstone
59 2* Bullseye
60 1* Storm (modern)
61 1* Black Widow (Modern)
62 1* Iron Man (Model 35)
63 1* Venom
64 1* Hawkeye (classic)
65 2* Bag Man
66 1* Yelena Belova
Changes:
3* and 4* Thor swap places. 4* Thor was affected by one anger vote at 61st place (the person ranked most other heroes reasonably). New characters Prof X(+2), IF(+5), Luke Cage (+2), Kamala Khan (+1), Star-lord(+4) bump up. Cyclops and Kingpin swap. Torch inches ahead of Devil Dino.
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Interesting tidbits, when separated by region:
US:
Captain America ranks 1 place higher in the US, above Luke Cage. Kamala Khan -3. Daredevil +3. Star-Lord -4. GBSW -2. Storm(+1) & Sentry(-1) swap. TDaken(+1), MNMags(-1) swap. Juggernaut (+3) over Cap Marvel, Hawkeye, and Torch.
Canada: (only 12 votes, so take this with a grain of salt)
Canada still values 4* above 3* thor. Fury ranks 4th above Prof X. Kingpin is 10th, with IF 19th? MNMags ranked highly at 7th. StarLord (+14) to 12th! Cage (-2) Khan (-5). Squirrel Girl (+2) (are there more squirrels in Canada?) IW up 7 places to 44th.
I'm wondering if some of this is a reflection of the media in each of the countries, for example the release of the new Daredevil series. I haven't watched it yet, so don't know if it's any good.
Honestly, the margin between 3* and 4* Thor is razor thin. I think if you remove the anger votes over the nerf, 4* Thor would come out on top.
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Edit:
Added comments to my post on first page with heat map: viewtopic.php?p=330678#p3306780 -
daibar wrote:One things that's pretty striking is 104/116 votes for X-Force at 1st, over 90% of people agreed that X-Force was top dog after Thor4's nerf.
Another interesting disagreement is IF. Despite having quite a number of high votes, IF is hampered by the need to have a channel for his black AP and his low Health. There also seem to have been 5 default votes (non sorted) +1 close to default dragging him down since he's a new character. Will need to filter these out in further analysis.
Anyone who is "disagreeing" about IF doesn't realize the power of aura err . Even if X-Force goes bye-bye, black is still a ridic color w/ Black Panther/Kingpin and let's not forget his attack tile(which even if you somehow OHKO him, it'll be around)
As for the actual list - people laughed at me for saying 3* Thor was better than 4*. Yet the people have spoken.
And as for the daredevil series, it won't be hard to be better than Ben affleck0 -
Kamala khan is waaayy too low.0
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jimstarooney wrote:Kamala khan is waaayy too low.
And blade is wayyyy too higH0 -
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