Realism

Katai

DumDumDugn wrote:

Katai wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Katai wrote:

Scarlet Witch and Wiccan would have to rank up there in the most powerful. Reality benders are dangerous creatures.

I would put Doom pretty high on my list. He's a master at science AND sorcery, and a tactical genius as well.

Wolverine is low-tier, but basically invincible. I'd kill for a James Howlett (X-treme X-men) variant, though

Wolv's healing powers have been taken away so many times now by a ton of different things. Plus, you can drown him (that's how he killed Daken)

Also, scarlet witch's insane power levels were attributed to dr. doom. She's no longer at that level. Wiccan is stupidly strong though, but he can't control it.

Avengers vs X-men still puts her power level on Phoenix Force levels, but comics are kind of dumb when it comes to that sort of thing. Power levels are highly relative, and a lot of it is conceptual. Like how Jubilee's powers a mini fusion reactions, and she could throw someone into seizures by popping a spark into someone's brain.

She wasn't on phoenix power level in AvX, she could just hurt the phoenix. Big difference.

Plus she has no durability. Got killed by a stab in uncanny avengers lol

Good point, but I think how likely a character is brought back to life should be in the formula for how powerful they are

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GT-47LM wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Emotive wrote:

Who is better than who is always a fun but opinionated discussion but Doom is the exception to the rule.

Doom is quite known for being the best of the best in the Marvel universe, no matter who writes for him. The only person who can defeat Doom is himself.

It seems most of you, this is your first time hearing about Doom.

Arguing with doom noobs is frustrating sometimes

I was reading some of dooms stories, and back to the other post about how the writer determines how strong a character is, he is right. When doom is defeated, it was actually a "doom bot," but when he actually wins, it is actually dr doom. In this case, pretty much any character in the marvel universe could be the strongest if the writer wanted them too.

That doesn't count, Doom is smart enough to know when to use his tools and in this case, Doombot's. So it's just Doom being Doom.

All writers write Doom as the strongest and of course a writer could make Hawkeye the strongest person in the universe but they won't.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Emotive wrote:

Who is better than who is always a fun but opinionated discussion but Doom is the exception to the rule.

Doom is quite known for being the best of the best in the Marvel universe, no matter who writes for him. The only person who can defeat Doom is himself.

It seems most of you, this is your first time hearing about Doom.

Arguing with doom noobs is frustrating sometimes

I was reading some of dooms stories, and back to the other post about how the writer determines how strong a character is, he is right. When doom is defeated, it was actually a "doom bot," but when he actually wins, it is actually dr doom. In this case, pretty much any character in the marvel universe could be the strongest if the writer wanted them too.

But they don't, because it wouldn't make any sense.

But with doom, anything is possible.

Exactly. So even if Dr. Doom wasn't strong, the writer could make him this unstoppable force because he wants to. He reminds me of Roger from the show American Dad, mostly because they have a character they can manipulate into anything they want to fill in a role that no one else can.

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Emotive wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Emotive wrote:

Who is better than who is always a fun but opinionated discussion but Doom is the exception to the rule.

Doom is quite known for being the best of the best in the Marvel universe, no matter who writes for him. The only person who can defeat Doom is himself.

It seems most of you, this is your first time hearing about Doom.

Arguing with doom noobs is frustrating sometimes

I was reading some of dooms stories, and back to the other post about how the writer determines how strong a character is, he is right. When doom is defeated, it was actually a "doom bot," but when he actually wins, it is actually dr doom. In this case, pretty much any character in the marvel universe could be the strongest if the writer wanted them too.

That doesn't count, Doom is smart enough to know when to use his tools and in this case, Doombot's. So it's just Doom being Doom.

All writers write Doom as the strongest and of course a writer could make Hawkeye the strongest person in the universe but they won't.

Yup. Dr. Doom loses? Lets just say it was a Doom Bot. He won? Dr. Doom actually won without bots. Using the same thing over and over again is what I call lazy writing. That is like when you see kids play fighting, then when one of them is defeated, he says "no, i'm actually invisible and never die." It's the same concept.

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You're ignoring the easiest explanation. Writers write doom strong because he is strong.

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Well i guess i really dont know much about doom . . my apologies. And what about him vs Ghost rider?

And Thanos would over kill dr doom in my world. So would Phoienx. Maybe franklin richards too, im also tempted to say Sentry but i dont really care for him all though he "disassembled" ares in dark avengers i and many think he and gladiator are wanna be supermans . . .

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DumDum, have you played with Doom in Avengers Alliance? I need a couple more covers, but he looks ridiculously strong. He even takes up two hero slots.

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I don't know much about doom either, or any other character for that matter, but watching people who know extensive information about the subject matter that make the biggest points and counter arguments can make for some easy learning.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

You're ignoring the easiest explanation. Writers write doom strong because he is strong.

Yes he is strong, but like I said before, he is pretty much the Roger of marvel. My other point about the writers also acknowledged it.

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Oversoul wrote:

DumDum, have you played with Doom in Avengers Alliance? I need a couple more covers, but he looks ridiculously strong. He even takes up two hero slots.

He's good but not worth 2 hero spots. Nico Minoru is OP as hell though.

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GT-47LM wrote:

Yup. Dr. Doom loses? Lets just say it was a Doom Bot. He won? Dr. Doom actually won without bots. Using the same thing over and over again is what I call lazy writing. That is like when you see kids play fighting, then when one of them is defeated, he says "no, i'm actually invisible and never die." It's the same concept.

Not accurate. The only reason Doom lost in those cases is BECAUSE it was a doombot. And usually that is part of Doom's plan, be it a distraction or trap. It's almost never his main ploy. He plays chess against people playing checkers. The writers didn't write themselves into a corner where Doom loses and them haphazardly be like "DOOMBOT." To imply otherwise is to say they are too stupid to layout a plot.

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Unity wrote:

Well i guess i really dont know much about doom . . my apologies. And what about him vs Ghost rider?

And Thanos would over kill dr doom in my world. So would Phoienx. Maybe franklin richards too, im also tempted to say Sentry but i dont really care for him all though he "disassembled" ares in dark avengers i and many think he and gladiator are wanna be supermans . . .

Ghost Rider has 1 trick, and thats penance stare. Whether he can 1) land it and 2) if it even works on the opponent dictates how he matches up to people. My thought is doom has no penance for what he's done so it won't work.

Eddiemon

Katai wrote:

Scarlet Witch and Wiccan would have to rank up there in the most powerful. Reality benders are dangerous creatures.

I would put Doom pretty high on my list. He's a master at science AND sorcery, and a tactical genius as well. Then there's the one time he got control of Scarlet Witch's "Cosmic Life Force" powers...

Wolverine is low-tier, but basically invincible. I'd kill for a James Howlett (X-treme X-men) variant, though

Wolvie ain't invincible.

There is the murasama blade designed to kill his kind.
Kitty pryde phased her hand inside his brain for the kill.
And there is always concrete. Or molten adamantium as in xmen 2. But wet concrete is a tad more common.

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If we're looking at the entire Marvel Universe - you can't forget Franklin Richards. He's considered the most powerful mutant on Earth, the ability to warp reality being pretty strong.

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_fulu_ wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

Yup. Dr. Doom loses? Lets just say it was a Doom Bot. He won? Dr. Doom actually won without bots. Using the same thing over and over again is what I call lazy writing. That is like when you see kids play fighting, then when one of them is defeated, he says "no, i'm actually invisible and never die." It's the same concept.

Not accurate. The only reason Doom lost in those cases is BECAUSE it was a doombot. And usually that is part of Doom's plan, be it a distraction or trap. It's almost never his main ploy. He plays chess against people playing checkers. The writers didn't write themselves into a corner where Doom loses and them haphazardly be like "DOOMBOT." To imply otherwise is to say they are too stupid to layout a plot.

So his plan is to purposely lose fights? I'm guessing that this is the writers way of prolonging the story without fully getting rid of doom, just so they can use him again next time. You seriously don't think using the same plot twist over and over again doesn't get boring and stale? You can't call that creative writing, using the same idea multiple times.

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I just did a little research on doom and i underestimated him, he is pretty bad a**. He is somewhere up their with Abraxas, Apocalypse, Thanos , Galactus , Symbiote, as far as evil wise.

Eddiemon

The chaos king needs a mention.
And squirrel girl, who has defeated both galactus and thanos.

Unknown

All the psychic mutants should be super powerful. They're regularly regarded as Omega level. Also Gambit lol.

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Did you guys really just include gambit and squirrel girl?

If you are going to include gambit you might as well include mystique and black widow since all three of them are usually spies and very deceptive.


And I agree with jozier as far as the omega thing. Reality warpers , telepaths , and empathies are usually strong.

Eddiemon

jozier wrote:

All the psychic mutants should be super powerful. They're regularly regarded as Omega level. Also Gambit lol.

Jean grey/Phoenix was and xavier was. I don't think psylocke, the cuckoos Rachel grey or Emma frost are.

Bobby drake is though. And you can see why with the age of apocalypse version who can actually use his powers.