Dark Avengers: Heroic - Sept. 25 - Oct 1

1…89111314…22

Comments

  • jojeda654
    jojeda654 Posts: 1,162 Chairperson of the Boards
    HairyDave wrote:
    I don't think I've wiped on a single node in any PVE more than I have on "If I Can't Have It"

    Really? I guess you've been avoiding "Hoodlum Inc."

    Anyway, for that node, I've had success running 170 Torch/135 Psylocke/134 OBW. Try to match red to fuel HT, Blue to double dip and starve Daken while attacking Sentry. Once he's down, start matching Greens. You should have enough Blue to be able to last a few turns with strike tiles on the board. This way, Daken heals your match damage, but not your Flame Jet. It also keep Ares at full health longer, so Rampage barely tickles. If Ares manages to scrounge up any Greens, steal it with OBW.

    Of course, this is only good is the AI doesn't get any cascades, especially early on.
  • HairyDave
    HairyDave Posts: 1,574
    jojeda654 wrote:
    HairyDave wrote:
    I don't think I've wiped on a single node in any PVE more than I have on "If I Can't Have It"

    Really? I guess you've been avoiding "Hoodlum Inc."
    I've had less trouble with that one. Wiped once - Tommy Guns icon_evil.gif - but mostly I've managed to get through with very little damage. IM40, OBW and Torch can deal with Hood pretty well even when he does let loose with the pistols way too quickly.
  • CrookedKnight
    CrookedKnight Posts: 2,579 Chairperson of the Boards
    I squeaked past 80K points in the final half-hour, got second in my sub, and pulled my first yellow cover for X-Force from the progression token. I like this day.
  • jojeda654
    jojeda654 Posts: 1,162 Chairperson of the Boards
    HairyDave wrote:
    I've had less trouble with that one. Wiped once - Tommy Guns icon_evil.gif - but mostly I've managed to get through with very little damage. IM40, OBW and Torch can deal with Hood pretty well even when he does let loose with the pistols way too quickly.

    Ah, you focus on yellowtile.png !
    Of course! Recharge feeds Torch, and also denies Twin Pistols.
    I usually neglect yellowtile.png which is what makes Tommy Gun so deadly. icon_redface.gif
  • GrumpySmurf1002
    GrumpySmurf1002 Posts: 3,511 Chairperson of the Boards
    CrookedKnight wrote:
    I squeaked past 80K points in the final half-hour, got second in my sub, and pulled my first yellow cover for X-Force from the progression token. I like this day.

    Ugh. I didn't play the last 14 hrs, think I went to bed around 70k. Bye Mr. Fury!
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Sumilea wrote:
    I am in an interesting main bracket oh well glad I am only shooting for top 10.
    Yeah, right... We from UncannyMUGs would like to know how you score if shooting for top 2 icon_lol.gif
  • Phaserhawk
    Phaserhawk Posts: 2,676 Chairperson of the Boards
    Unstoppable, Inedible is the ABSOLUTE WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not only is it Headbutt and Stun season, but they have a HAMMER Analyst who of course generates purple and red, it's so unfair, I burned all 5 health packs, and still barely won, and they are only lvl 128!!!!
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    raziel777 wrote:
    Sumilea wrote:
    I am in an interesting main bracket oh well glad I am only shooting for top 10.
    Yeah, right... We from UncannyMUGs would like to know how you score if shooting for top 2 icon_lol.gif

    I am just playing like last time and hoping to go to sleep with top 10 safe. You see a post to that effect the last time this event was run.
  • loroku
    loroku Posts: 1,014 Chairperson of the Boards
    FierceKiwi wrote:
    What makes you think "joining late" would be any better? You'd probably just be about 300th but with half the points and no chance at progression rewards.
    Read the earlier posts.
  • Spoit
    Spoit Posts: 3,441 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ugh, these morning subs are completely destroying me. Can barely wake up in time to do one clear before the end, whereas because I joined a euro-time bracket, the other people in my bracket are able to optimally clear multiple ones before the end. I fell from where I was oscillating from somewhere just outside the top 10 to 20 during the past few days, to not even anywhere near the top 20 after this end of this last sub.

    And then other people in my alliance just RBed the sub and scored about as much as my slightly unoptimal clearing over multiple days.

    I give up on this event. At least icon_doctoroctopus.png is probably their worst character yet. Like, a pre-nerfed icon_shehulk.png
  • FierceKiwi
    FierceKiwi Posts: 505 Critical Contributor
    loroku wrote:
    FierceKiwi wrote:
    What makes you think "joining late" would be any better? You'd probably just be about 300th but with half the points and no chance at progression rewards.
    Read the earlier posts.

    I've read the earlier posts and I don't see anything that says you'd be doing significantly better. Having a score that's good for first in a bracket that's existed for 48hrs less than the one you're in is pretty meaningless. If you were in that bracket you'd have 48hrs less play time and a much lower score. You'll have fewer grinders in a later bracket but that's really a pretty small segment of any bracket.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    In this event the rubberband is weak enough that your gap to the overall sub leader does not shrink unless you can do all the hard missions as well. That is suppose you see your essential is worth 1000 and you do all 3 of them, and if you come back 2H 24M later you'll notice they're still worth 1000 points and sometimes more. If you cannot close the lead to the overall sub leader then joining time and rubberband are both meaningless. In the last sub I did the essential, the first hard, and all 3 easy nodes every 2H 24M and the gap between me and the leader never closed because my missions are worth roughly the same thing when I come back. This means from my point of view my missions might as well be constant points, and anyone who does less than this wouldn't even close the gap to the leader, so there's no way they could ever catch up to me either no matter what timing trick they used. Now, if you can do the other 2 hard missions then you have enough points to close the gap and at that point timing may become important again, but if you could beat all the hard missions in this event you really shouldn't need to resort to any fancy tricks to do well.

    I don't know why people always assume people are going to magically have a timezone advantage for joining early/late. Whether you can play at the last refresh is more of an inherent property of the player. Like Spoit I got hammered by the morning bracket ending times since I don't care enough about Dr. Octopus to try to make it, so it doesn't matter if I joined immediately, randomly, or at the end because I'm still not going to try to hit the 9am PST refreshes. Likewise someone who wakes up at 5am PST to hit the last 2 refreshes has an inherent advantage in every bracket irrespective of the time he joined.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    FierceKiwi wrote:
    loroku wrote:
    FierceKiwi wrote:
    What makes you think "joining late" would be any better? You'd probably just be about 300th but with half the points and no chance at progression rewards.
    Read the earlier posts.

    I've read the earlier posts and I don't see anything that says you'd be doing significantly better. Having a score that's good for first in a bracket that's existed for 48hrs less than the one you're in is pretty meaningless. If you were in that bracket you'd have 48hrs less play time and a much lower score. You'll have fewer grinders in a later bracket but that's really a pretty small segment of any bracket.

    With this rubberband structure anyone with about 2 cycles of lead on you would likely have an insurmountable lead if their playing time is anywhere close to yours. The rubberband is weak enough that the missions might as well be constant points for most people and anyone with an early start has a huge advantage there, and that's more likely to happen if you join late unless you're extremely lucky. Not to mention the people who make these posts don't seem to fit the profile of a grinder so they'd have no particular advantage in joining late, even though with this rubberband even a hardcore grinder would not like his chances of making up even a 2 cycle lead.
  • orbitalint
    orbitalint Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    So, I'm at a loss. How does this guy do this? I joined the latest sub immediately and it's only been 90 minutes but this guy has doubled everyone else's score. I looked at his roster and it looked maxed.

    Is he just grinding nodes to 1 and using a bunch of healthpacks? I don't get it.

    kE4E8JNl.png
  • Phaserhawk
    Phaserhawk Posts: 2,676 Chairperson of the Boards
    I have noticed that I am closing the gap from the leader because I'm sure they are hitting really hard nodes and don't have the roster to finish them, meanwhile I keep plugging away clearing nodes they can't and getting points they cant. However if the lead they built early by say hitting the nodes perfectly on refresh I won't be able to catch up.
  • FierceKiwi
    FierceKiwi Posts: 505 Critical Contributor
    orbitalint wrote:
    So, I'm at a loss. How does this guy do this? I joined the latest sub immediately and it's only been 90 minutes but this guy has doubled everyone else's score. I looked at his roster and it looked maxed.

    Is he just grinding nodes to 1 and using a bunch of healthpacks? I don't get it.

    EDIT: Removed image to save space. And then again to fix the missing /quote.

    I can't say how many healthpacks he's using to do that but yeah he's grinding nodes down to 1 or pretty close to it.
  • orbitalint
    orbitalint Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    Thanks, that's what I thought. I've just never seen someone get so excited for 3 tokens in the middle of a PVE. I thought most people are settling into their placement range by now or haven't started. Good for him.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Since the nodes go from 100%/80%/60%/40%/20% which adds to 300%, and we can assume if it's early then there's no rubberbanding to begin with, then having everything down to 1 (300% of base points) would indeed be pretty close to double everyone's score, especially if most people played only the first stack at 100%. You'll be able to catch up on the next couple of cycles since the guy with that score has less stacks to work with, though if he's not planning to play for a while he didn't lose anything by grinding those down either.
  • NorthernPolarity
    NorthernPolarity Posts: 3,531 Chairperson of the Boards
    orbitalint wrote:
    Thanks, that's what I thought. I've just never seen someone get so excited for 3 tokens in the middle of a PVE. I thought most people are settling into their placement range by now or haven't started. Good for him.

    I kinda feel bad for the guy because he's playing the event suboptimally unless he can't grind for the next however many hours it takes for a node to fully refresh. This doesn't seem likely since he took the time/health packs to grind all the nodes down to 1, so he's in for a surprise when he can't catch up in 2 refresh cycles after everyone has surpassed his score.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    NorthernPolarity wrote:
    orbitalint wrote:
    Thanks, that's what I thought. I've just never seen someone get so excited for 3 tokens in the middle of a PVE. I thought most people are settling into their placement range by now or haven't started. Good for him.

    I kinda feel bad for the guy because he's playing the event suboptimally unless he can't grind for the next however many hours it takes for a node to fully refresh. This doesn't seem likely since he took the time/health packs to grind all the nodes down to 1, so he's in for a surprise when he can't catch up in 2 refresh cycles after everyone has surpassed his score.

    It may be someone who's either about to go to bed/work/whatever, but it may also be someone who's played it like this since it was the optimal way to play and doesn't realize that the mechanics of the game have changed.

Categories