Fly-Fight-Win - July 28-30 - Season IV

dr tinykittylove

Bowgentle wrote:

dr tinykittylove wrote:

Are people still having trouble with mmr this round, or is it just too early that there are no worthwhile targets to hit? A 166/114 patchneto team just bopped me for a whopping 5 point loss - how many points is that worth on offense, actually?

They offered a 36 point retal in return. 120/94 LCapOBW said thank you kindly, but it doesn't actually feel good, because I know I'm going to get hit the same way once my points are up some more. I find PvPs really stressful.

Not many people playing yet. I actually saw a few maxed teams at 200, which is a first. Normalized past 300 again though.

Hm. Maybe everyone's trying to avoid the death brackets by joining at funny times. I hardly see anyone with over 100 points in my nodes either.

Bowgentle

franckynight wrote:

Fortunately i only aim at 1000 Pts as i just want to be top 5. Just with your retals, i will get it.. I love you brother..

1000 for T5 with the current sharding? Yeah, good luck with that plan

Unknown

It's a good thing the 1100 cover is the red one. With the PVE progression looking very much reachable, I won't need to push to 1100, since 3/5/5 seems to be the best build.

franckynight

Bowgentle wrote:

franckynight wrote:

Fortunately i only aim at 1000 Pts as i just want to be top 5. Just with your retals, i will get it.. I love you brother..

1000 for T5 with the current sharding? Yeah, good luck with that plan

True bow.. Probably 1100..

Unknown

darkmagearcanis wrote:

Ok, so I'm just toying around with this event since I don't need patch covers. But I used a lvl 50 1* Storm and a level 40 1* Black Widow plus the loaner Cap Marvel and beat a Boosted lvl 83 Cap Marvel, a lvl 150 Black Widow and a lvl 135 Hulk. Like I don't understand. I feel like I should have lost that.

Edit: Also, no boosts used. No point since I'm just toying around.

That's the power of the 1* Storm + BW combo. If they both survive long enough to start Storm's cascades going, BW just stunlocks the enemy team for a (boring due to the low damage taking forever to) win. I've done this against level 150+ goons in PVE.

The problem is surviving long enough....

locked wrote:

I just wonder what use 5 g Patch will see once Magneto nerf hits. Oh sure, comboing with BP would be nice, but BP will have his own mega-strike tiles with no downsides.

Loki, Sentry and Punisher say Hi - for Offense anyway.

BR + WR = 16 green for a 2 round delay win, even if the Sentry is low level.

dr tinykittylove

Urgh. I suppose this is something of a headsup. Try to avoid using characters with a strong primary red, if you can. I've been picking off Thor/other conbos and noticing that because Thor's strongest colour is red, the ai happily matches red at the least excuse, and then...

...consistently used Loaner Cap Marvel's red. 300-something damage really hurts, people. Especially when you think your defense team could have been using it on Adamantium Slash or Supernova, or even Mjolnir's Might would be an improvement. Even Rag's red.

I thought the ai knows to save for stronger powers? I'm imagining an assault team, quivering in fear after a bad cascade gives BP enough for Rage, then being fishslapped with level 83 Captain Marvel's black instead.

OnesOwnGrief

dr tinykittylove wrote:

Urgh. I suppose this is something of a headsup. Try to avoid using characters with a strong primary red, if you can. I've been picking off Thor/other conbos and noticing that because Thor's strongest colour is red, the ai happily matches red at the least excuse, and then...

...consistently used Loaner Cap Marvel's red. 300-something damage really hurts, people. Especially when you think your defense team could have been using it on Adamantium Slash or Supernova, or even Mjolnir's Might would be an improvement. Even Rag's red.

I thought the ai knows to save for stronger powers? I'm imagining an assault team, quivering in fear after a bad cascade gives BP enough for Rage, then being fishslapped with level 83 Captain Marvel's black instead.

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. They tweaked it a bit a while ago.

Unknown

The AI saves up for the higher cost ability with a certain percentage. They do not know which ability is better. If your choice is Prehistoric Bite and a new green ability that costs 10 AP that does 1 damage, the AI will happily save up for the more expensive ability if it makes the roll to do so even though it is never correct to do so.

Since Marvel's red costs 7, it should be pretty unlikely to use it over Thor's unless you have exactly 7 red. I've seen some rare occurences where the highest cost ability was not used when the AI has enough for it, but it happens so infrequently I can't say if anything changed or if I was just seeing things.

FierceKiwi

dr tinykittylove wrote:

Urgh. I suppose this is something of a headsup. Try to avoid using characters with a strong primary red, if you can. I've been picking off Thor/other conbos and noticing that because Thor's strongest colour is red, the ai happily matches red at the least excuse, and then...

...consistently used Loaner Cap Marvel's red. 300-something damage really hurts, people. Especially when you think your defense team could have been using it on Adamantium Slash or Supernova, or even Mjolnir's Might would be an improvement. Even Rag's red.

I thought the ai knows to save for stronger powers? I'm imagining an assault team, quivering in fear after a bad cascade gives BP enough for Rage, then being fishslapped with level 83 Captain Marvel's black instead.

I've never seen the AI not use the most expensive ability it has the AP for...the real trouble there is if it only has 9-10 AP it's pretty likely to just use Marvel's ability instead of waiting a turn or 2 for Rage (it's gotten better recently but it's still seems at best a 50/50 chance).

over_clocked

kalirion wrote:

Loki, Sentry and Punisher say Hi - for Offense anyway.

BR + WR = 16 green for a 2 round delay win, even if the Sentry is low level.

Oooh, lovely idea, taking one of the weakest 3*s into PvP. 16 green you say? Where's my Thor? Punisher's best ability is green, too! Too much overlap in general with other RGY or RGBk characters, and not nearly enough complementing partners that can take advantage of the strike tiles. I guess Cpt Marvel will be comboing with Patch somewhat if she would be able to tank red/black, but that defeats the purpose of 5 g Patch anyway as you want 5 red for Patch then, which rules out 5 green.
Edit: oops, forgot that Marvel has red/yellow/black, not red/black/yellow. Still, she will tank black in most cases when there's no Punisher or HT around.
Edit: darn it, she doesn't combo well with Patch who needs BTI to be strong, unless you kill her off or something.

turul

Lol supernova with miss marvel has AP "cashback"

Rusalka

Good grief, I think the AI hates me.

I mean, I'm not going to complain when, at the tail end of a long match, the opposing team's IM40 gets a blue cascade and lets loose with a Ballistic Salvo. It was my own fault for not denying blue well enough earlier, and anyway, Lazy Thor and Black Panther can take a hit. But I'm sure as heck going to complain when on the very next move, the AI gets another blue cascade so huge that it immediately sets off another Ballistic Salvo. Twice in a row, really? That's not bad luck, that's "I hate you, Rusalka and want you to suffer."

Was I supposed to have sacrificed a goat before the match or something?

wymtime

locked wrote:

kalirion wrote:

Loki, Sentry and Punisher say Hi - for Offense anyway.

BR + WR = 16 green for a 2 round delay win, even if the Sentry is low level.

Oooh, lovely idea, taking one of the weakest 3*s into PvP. 16 green you say? Where's my Thor? Punisher's best ability is green, too! Too much overlap in general with other RGY or RGBk characters, and not nearly enough complementing partners that can take advantage of the strike tiles. I guess Cpt Marvel will be comboing with Patch somewhat if she would be able to tank red/black, but that defeats the purpose of 5 g Patch anyway as you want 5 red for Patch then, which rules out 5 green.
Edit: oops, forgot that Marvel has red/yellow/black, not red/black/yellow. Still, she will tank black in most cases when there's no Punisher or HT around.
Edit: darn it, she doesn't combo well with Patch who needs BTI to be strong, unless you kill her off or something.

I have not leveled Captain Marvel specificly for this purpose. I got another Green from the 3k progression and was able to have just enogh ISO to get him to Level 130 so he tanks colors from Captain Marvel. I now just try and put her in from after Berserker rage so I can get TBTI in PVE.

Unknown

locked wrote:

kalirion wrote:

Loki, Sentry and Punisher say Hi - for Offense anyway.

BR + WR = 16 green for a 2 round delay win, even if the Sentry is low level.

Oooh, lovely idea, taking one of the weakest 3*s into PvP. 16 green you say? Where's my Thor? Punisher's best ability is green, too! Too much overlap in general with other RGY or RGBk characters, and not nearly enough complementing partners that can take advantage of the strike tiles. I guess Cpt Marvel will be comboing with Patch somewhat if she would be able to tank red/black, but that defeats the purpose of 5 g Patch anyway as you want 5 red for Patch then, which rules out 5 green.
Edit: oops, forgot that Marvel has red/yellow/black, not red/black/yellow. Still, she will tank black in most cases when there's no Punisher or HT around.
Edit: darn it, she doesn't combo well with Patch who needs BTI to be strong, unless you kill her off or something.

Overlap matters more on defense than offense - who cares if you got rainbow covered when an overlapping team could get the kill faster? And I was talking about 5G Patch teamups in general, not with Captain Marvel.

squirrel1120

Lost one of my matches tonight, because apparently the computer controlling the computer actions decided that using environment to create a critical tile should be placed to over- write ares sunder countdown. I was gonna see it go off next turn, damage the enemy just enough to to collect one green match in the corner, then onslaught for the win.

Instead I end up glaring at the phone grumbling, 'are you tinykitty kidding me?'

I got a shake my head and laugh tho. At least I know that is a thing now...

HailMary

locked wrote:

You might want to rethink that; how will you play 5 green in the current PvE? It's 100% suicidal without Mags/Loki on your side, and 3 yellow will not be able to outheal the crazy damage. Trust me - I used to have a 4/5/4 Patch and he felt a little bit too unsafe with 4 green/4 yellow. Running 3/5/5 now and laughing at all these 5/3/5 guys who must be struggling in the current event. If they come here and say they don't, I would not believe them for a darn second.

Ha, yeah, 5/3/5 Patch happily murders just fine in PVE without infinite-turn CMags as long as you kill non-goons before/on the turn you unleash BRage. Heck, even if they take a single non-goon turn against Patch, NBD, 5Y Patch heals like a mofo. Imma let you in on a little secret: goons don't match tiles. I know, right? Mind. Blown.

In general, post-CMags-nerf, I think 5/3/5 Patch will be rather suicidal in PVP, but it'll still benefit Patch + Hulk YOLO players.

HairyDave

HailMary wrote:

locked wrote:

You might want to rethink that; how will you play 5 green in the current PvE? It's 100% suicidal without Mags/Loki on your side, and 3 yellow will not be able to outheal the crazy damage. Trust me - I used to have a 4/5/4 Patch and he felt a little bit too unsafe with 4 green/4 yellow. Running 3/5/5 now and laughing at all these 5/3/5 guys who must be struggling in the current event. If they come here and say they don't, I would not believe them for a darn second.

Ha, yeah, 5/3/5 Patch happily murders just fine in PVE without infinite-turn CMags as long as you kill non-goons before/on the turn you unleash BRage. Heck, even if they take a single non-goon turn against Patch, NBD, 5Y Patch heals like a mofo. Imma let you in on a little secret: goons don't match tiles. I know, right? Mind. Blown.

In general, post-CMags-nerf, I think 5/3/5 Patch will be rather suicidal in PVP, but it'll still benefit Patch + Hulk YOLO players.

And I totes intend to be one If I can just get those three damned black covers to turn up

Arogntbastrd

squirrel1120 wrote:

Lost one of my matches tonight, because apparently the computer controlling the computer actions decided that using environment to create a critical tile should be placed to over- write ares sunder countdown. I was gonna see it go off next turn, damage the enemy just enough to to collect one green match in the corner, then onslaught for the win.

Instead I end up glaring at the phone grumbling, 'are you tinykitty kidding me?'

I got a shake my head and laugh tho. At least I know that is a thing now...

Merrci

How's everyone doing in this event so far I'm ranked 160 right now need to grind and get some more points.

HairyDave

So it seem like tinyDaken and Rags don't make a good tank team - who knew?

I facerolled a CStorm/MHawkeye team despite being 40 levels lower. Loaner Carol got a bit banged up but that was all...