Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2.
DAZ0273 said: Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2. This is now 2 specific Polaris counters released. If neither do their job then I might be a little concerned for Polaris. We won't know for a bit if either filter through as regular use on teams.
BriMan2222 said: DAZ0273 said: Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2. This is now 2 specific Polaris counters released. If neither do their job then I might be a little concerned for Polaris. We won't know for a bit if either filter through as regular use on teams. I can only speak for myself, but for me morbius is already dong the job and I didn't need another counter for her. I didn't really have any problem with her before morbius since as a 5 star player even 370 Polaris goes down pretty quick. But with morbius as a tool against her she went from mildly annoying to trivial. Maybe 4 star players need more tools, but from what I've heard from 4 star players it sounded like medusa, sabretooth, and morbius already provided a lot of options against her
DAZ0273 said: BriMan2222 said: DAZ0273 said: Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2. This is now 2 specific Polaris counters released. If neither do their job then I might be a little concerned for Polaris. We won't know for a bit if either filter through as regular use on teams. I can only speak for myself, but for me morbius is already dong the job and I didn't need another counter for her. I didn't really have any problem with her before morbius since as a 5 star player even 370 Polaris goes down pretty quick. But with morbius as a tool against her she went from mildly annoying to trivial. Maybe 4 star players need more tools, but from what I've heard from 4 star players it sounded like medusa, sabretooth, and morbius already provided a lot of options against her Likewise I have no issue with Polaris. I Champed Morbius because he is fun but I haven't really used him much.Guess we need to hear feedback from the 4* tier.
entrailbucket said: DAZ0273 said: BriMan2222 said: DAZ0273 said: Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2. This is now 2 specific Polaris counters released. If neither do their job then I might be a little concerned for Polaris. We won't know for a bit if either filter through as regular use on teams. I can only speak for myself, but for me morbius is already dong the job and I didn't need another counter for her. I didn't really have any problem with her before morbius since as a 5 star player even 370 Polaris goes down pretty quick. But with morbius as a tool against her she went from mildly annoying to trivial. Maybe 4 star players need more tools, but from what I've heard from 4 star players it sounded like medusa, sabretooth, and morbius already provided a lot of options against her Likewise I have no issue with Polaris. I Champed Morbius because he is fun but I haven't really used him much.Guess we need to hear feedback from the 4* tier. I think the problem is that you can use her on offense and still beat all the current "counters." They need to make a character that Polaris can't beat in order to create a rock/paper/scissors meta.
jp1 said: entrailbucket said: DAZ0273 said: BriMan2222 said: DAZ0273 said: Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2. This is now 2 specific Polaris counters released. If neither do their job then I might be a little concerned for Polaris. We won't know for a bit if either filter through as regular use on teams. I can only speak for myself, but for me morbius is already dong the job and I didn't need another counter for her. I didn't really have any problem with her before morbius since as a 5 star player even 370 Polaris goes down pretty quick. But with morbius as a tool against her she went from mildly annoying to trivial. Maybe 4 star players need more tools, but from what I've heard from 4 star players it sounded like medusa, sabretooth, and morbius already provided a lot of options against her Likewise I have no issue with Polaris. I Champed Morbius because he is fun but I haven't really used him much.Guess we need to hear feedback from the 4* tier. I think the problem is that you can use her on offense and still beat all the current "counters." They need to make a character that Polaris can't beat in order to create a rock/paper/scissors meta. Glass cannons, such as Polaris, are the best possible outcome for PVP diversity. What you are describing is a rock/scissors/scissors scenario.
entrailbucket said: jp1 said: entrailbucket said: DAZ0273 said: BriMan2222 said: DAZ0273 said: Sekilicious said: I kind of like Mantis (I infer) as an option to counter the Polaris meta. I don’t see a lot of Morbius in my retals so who knows how popular she will be. After all, speed is still the main driver of meta characters and Mantis simply delays, hopefully allowing you to kill off the opponents Polaris before becoming a problem. She might be a good third to Karnak/Chavez perhaps. Maybe she will do well with Gamora in Pick 2. This is now 2 specific Polaris counters released. If neither do their job then I might be a little concerned for Polaris. We won't know for a bit if either filter through as regular use on teams. I can only speak for myself, but for me morbius is already dong the job and I didn't need another counter for her. I didn't really have any problem with her before morbius since as a 5 star player even 370 Polaris goes down pretty quick. But with morbius as a tool against her she went from mildly annoying to trivial. Maybe 4 star players need more tools, but from what I've heard from 4 star players it sounded like medusa, sabretooth, and morbius already provided a lot of options against her Likewise I have no issue with Polaris. I Champed Morbius because he is fun but I haven't really used him much.Guess we need to hear feedback from the 4* tier. I think the problem is that you can use her on offense and still beat all the current "counters." They need to make a character that Polaris can't beat in order to create a rock/paper/scissors meta. Glass cannons, such as Polaris, are the best possible outcome for PVP diversity. What you are describing is a rock/scissors/scissors scenario. If I can just throw rock every single time and win anyway, how is that rock/paper/scissors?
entrailbucket said: It doesn't nullify her at all, it just means she can't win every single fight against every single team. You'd have to put her on the bench when fighting one specific character, and you could use her again when fighting anyone else. That's how you actually achieve diversity. Otherwise why would you ever bench Polaris?
jp1 said: entrailbucket said: It doesn't nullify her at all, it just means she can't win every single fight against every single team. You'd have to put her on the bench when fighting one specific character, and you could use her again when fighting anyone else. That's how you actually achieve diversity. Otherwise why would you ever bench Polaris? Ideally you wouldn’t bench any character. The idea is they are strong on offense, yet beatable on defense. You can play Polaris for all the wins you like, I can retaliate for the same, etc…If I have a character that completely shuts down the offensive Meta it discourages shielding, reduces health pack usage, limits the Meta to that single team, all that good stuff. Why would they want to do that?
Xception81 said: TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Xception81 said: MoosePrime said: TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Someone explain the fallacy of my thinking : First move Carnage adds enemy specials , next turn Kitty destroys 1, next turn 4 turn stun by New. Repeat infinite. Enemy Stunlocked in 5 turns . Kitty doesn't destroy enemy tiles, she overwrites them. Also, they stun a random enemy… no guarantee all 3 will be stunned, even if you keep matching enemy specials. I was wondering about that , the possibility it keeps stunning the same character over and over and allowing the other 2 to remain active . Seems like a dynamic that would defeat it’s own purpose. Gamora always stuns a random enemy that is still active in her second random stun . I was hoping it followed the same logic . It might. We just don’t know yet.
TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Xception81 said: MoosePrime said: TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Someone explain the fallacy of my thinking : First move Carnage adds enemy specials , next turn Kitty destroys 1, next turn 4 turn stun by New. Repeat infinite. Enemy Stunlocked in 5 turns . Kitty doesn't destroy enemy tiles, she overwrites them. Also, they stun a random enemy… no guarantee all 3 will be stunned, even if you keep matching enemy specials. I was wondering about that , the possibility it keeps stunning the same character over and over and allowing the other 2 to remain active . Seems like a dynamic that would defeat it’s own purpose. Gamora always stuns a random enemy that is still active in her second random stun . I was hoping it followed the same logic .
Xception81 said: MoosePrime said: TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Someone explain the fallacy of my thinking : First move Carnage adds enemy specials , next turn Kitty destroys 1, next turn 4 turn stun by New. Repeat infinite. Enemy Stunlocked in 5 turns . Kitty doesn't destroy enemy tiles, she overwrites them. Also, they stun a random enemy… no guarantee all 3 will be stunned, even if you keep matching enemy specials.
MoosePrime said: TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Someone explain the fallacy of my thinking : First move Carnage adds enemy specials , next turn Kitty destroys 1, next turn 4 turn stun by New. Repeat infinite. Enemy Stunlocked in 5 turns . Kitty doesn't destroy enemy tiles, she overwrites them.
TheEyeDoctorsWife said: Someone explain the fallacy of my thinking : First move Carnage adds enemy specials , next turn Kitty destroys 1, next turn 4 turn stun by New. Repeat infinite. Enemy Stunlocked in 5 turns .
KGB said: Now that the numbers are up we can see her Purple will hit quite hard against an already stunned opponent (6100 when champed). It also means the 1 turn stun (at 5 covers) will obviously hit already stunned characters so there is a reasonable chance you won't stun the enemy Polaris until you match quite a few specials and manage to have the CD's resolve. As someone who uses Polaris/Grocket on offense, she won't really scare me since her low health means she can be killed on turn 2-3 in most matches.I still don't get the reason you ever want to use her Green. Yes, you get an initial 3 turn stun (5 covers) but if the CD/repeater goes off, you give an enemy a free heal (along with the stun) and if the CD/repeater gets matched your Mantis gets stunned and damaged. Not such a great power so I think that 3 covers max and hope you have a better Green outlet.In Shield Training Valkyrie won't be useful since her strongest color is a passive so it will be 4/5* Carnage as your 3rd character and match those enemy specials for stuns and damage.Now for the really important question. Is there anyone obvious that she could feed?KGB