No, you are exactly right. I was intending a bit of sarcasm in that post then I just left it for those who would see it's flawed.
Havok could have used a small passive that removes an enemy special tile each turn (like Th4nos), and then charges a green tile when that happens (or something). This would make his costly 12 AP green more tolerable.
I like using Bill myself, but in fairness his blue should cost 8 AP at least, and should Not be fortified. His blue and green AP gen would be nearly fair with this change.
I hate using Bishop. It feels slimy and cheap. But I kind of like hitting Bishop teams in LR's and PvP for example. It's almost like working to fix what's broken.
Taganov said: I must be missing something. Looks like a featured character only. Uninspired abilities, no passives to compensate. I hope his special removal power hits one at a time. That would at least have an interesting interaction with BRB's blue.
wymtime said: wil this character be required in the next PVE when only a small number of players have a cover for him?
Vhailorx said: This response is overly harsh fight4. Bluewolf is obviously a net positive contributor to the boards and has a lot of knowledge of the game, even if you dislike this particular post That said, BRB/bishop is easy fodder for other stunner bro teams (arguably easier than other meta teams because BRB's tiles make it easier to avoid proc'ing bishop). And Demi certainly does care about synergies; they even hype them in those marvel.com "interviews." But they don't always seem understand synergies, in the same way they don't seem to understand many aspects of the elder game very well at all. A quick glance through the suggested team combos from those marvel.com puff pieces shows a less than perfect understanding of what actually plays well together in mpq.
That said, BRB/bishop is easy fodder for other stunner bro teams (arguably easier than other meta teams because BRB's tiles make it easier to avoid proc'ing bishop). And Demi certainly does care about synergies; they even hype them in those marvel.com "interviews." But they don't always seem understand synergies, in the same way they don't seem to understand many aspects of the elder game very well at all. A quick glance through the suggested team combos from those marvel.com puff pieces shows a less than perfect understanding of what actually plays well together in mpq.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Havok's powers don't counteract BRB as best I can read it, they in fact seem to make things worse against him. BRB is going to generate green and blue when Havok's way-too-expensive green fires off just as well as if they were matched or destroyed any other way. The only thing that would even remotely make him a counter is if his green 1-shots the fortified countdowns rather than breaks the fortification off of them. Did @IceIX or anyone confirm one way or the other what to expect from that?
Havok's powers don't counteract BRB as best I can read it, they in fact seem to make things worse against him. BRB is going to generate green and blue when Havok's way-too-expensive green fires off just as well as if they were matched or destroyed any other way. The only thing that would even remotely make him a counter is if his green 1-shots the fortified countdowns rather than breaks the fortification off of them. Did @IceIX or anyone confirm one way or the other what to expect from that?
fight4thedream said: [...]The key to his effectiveness against Beta is that you will need to partner him with either a character that stuns or removes repeater tiles.
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ThaRoadWarrior said: fight4thedream said: [...]The key to his effectiveness against Beta is that you will need to partner him with either a character that stuns or removes repeater tiles. BRB doesn't generate repeaters, why is that important?Are people seeing BRB/Kitty in pick 2? I don't see that team at all. I see BRB/Carbage if it's not BRB/Bishop in pick 2, I only see Kitty in the mix if it's Pick 3 with BRB/Kitty/Carbage. That team is out of control. If you can't get a quick stun on them, you aren't winning.
Daredevil217 said: So again, like road warrior said, broken Bishop is doing all the real work. You can bring any heavy hitter with Bishops stunlock and get essentially the same results.
fight4thedream said: ThaRoadWarrior said: fight4thedream said: [...]The key to his effectiveness against Beta is that you will need to partner him with either a character that stuns or removes repeater tiles. BRB doesn't generate repeaters, why is that important?Are people seeing BRB/Kitty in pick 2? I don't see that team at all. I see BRB/Carbage if it's not BRB/Bishop in pick 2, I only see Kitty in the mix if it's Pick 3 with BRB/Kitty/Carbage. That team is out of control. If you can't get a quick stun on them, you aren't winning. Brainfart! Nice catch. Probably had repeaters on the mind since I had a bad run with a Kitty/BRB team lol We are probably in different MMR. I see various kinds of BRB teams:BRB/Bishop and BRB/Kitty are perhaps the most common, followed by BRB/Xavier and BRB/Carnage. Occasionally I see the Hammer Bros BRB/Thor but not very common which makes me somewhat sad as I would have loved for them to have been a thing. Daredevil217 said: So again, like road warrior said, broken Bishop is doing all the real work. You can bring any heavy hitter with Bishops stunlock and get essentially the same results. True to a certain extent. It depends on the levels of Kitty/Beta. If they are high enough, one or two Kitty buffs to those protect tiles can prove quite troublesome for even heavy hitters.
ThaRoadWarrior said: fight4thedream said: ThaRoadWarrior said: fight4thedream said: [...]The key to his effectiveness against Beta is that you will need to partner him with either a character that stuns or removes repeater tiles. BRB doesn't generate repeaters, why is that important?Are people seeing BRB/Kitty in pick 2? I don't see that team at all. I see BRB/Carbage if it's not BRB/Bishop in pick 2, I only see Kitty in the mix if it's Pick 3 with BRB/Kitty/Carbage. That team is out of control. If you can't get a quick stun on them, you aren't winning. Brainfart! Nice catch. Probably had repeaters on the mind since I had a bad run with a Kitty/BRB team lol We are probably in different MMR. I see various kinds of BRB teams:BRB/Bishop and BRB/Kitty are perhaps the most common, followed by BRB/Xavier and BRB/Carnage. Occasionally I see the Hammer Bros BRB/Thor but not very common which makes me somewhat sad as I would have loved for them to have been a thing. Daredevil217 said: So again, like road warrior said, broken Bishop is doing all the real work. You can bring any heavy hitter with Bishops stunlock and get essentially the same results. True to a certain extent. It depends on the levels of Kitty/Beta. If they are high enough, one or two Kitty buffs to those protect tiles can prove quite troublesome for even heavy hitters. It probably is MMR related. When I see Kitty, she's invariably with 370 4ockets in pick 2. The counter to BRB/Kitty is probably DD5. Go ahead and let her buff those tiles, then just flip them to friendly strikes when you're ready and be on your way. If he doesn't have a battery in place, it's not that bad to just avoid the starter-protects that are on the board for a few turns. It's only when he gets his blue CD out that he starts to steamroll my teams. Carbage does the same thing with his attack tiles. It just escalates so quickly between the two of them, particularly with the free turn carbage takes.
ThaRoadWarrior said: It's true, 9 purple is a lot. So....does Gambit counter this team? Overwriting those tiles won't trigger the AP gain for BRB, but even with Stacked Deck it may take too long to get started since that costs 11 purple, and you'd need like 6 turns for the repeater to just generate it for you.
Vhailorx said: ThaRoadWarrior said: fight4thedream said: ThaRoadWarrior said: fight4thedream said: [...]The key to his effectiveness against Beta is that you will need to partner him with either a character that stuns or removes repeater tiles. BRB doesn't generate repeaters, why is that important?Are people seeing BRB/Kitty in pick 2? I don't see that team at all. I see BRB/Carbage if it's not BRB/Bishop in pick 2, I only see Kitty in the mix if it's Pick 3 with BRB/Kitty/Carbage. That team is out of control. If you can't get a quick stun on them, you aren't winning. Brainfart! Nice catch. Probably had repeaters on the mind since I had a bad run with a Kitty/BRB team lol We are probably in different MMR. I see various kinds of BRB teams:BRB/Bishop and BRB/Kitty are perhaps the most common, followed by BRB/Xavier and BRB/Carnage. Occasionally I see the Hammer Bros BRB/Thor but not very common which makes me somewhat sad as I would have loved for them to have been a thing. Daredevil217 said: So again, like road warrior said, broken Bishop is doing all the real work. You can bring any heavy hitter with Bishops stunlock and get essentially the same results. True to a certain extent. It depends on the levels of Kitty/Beta. If they are high enough, one or two Kitty buffs to those protect tiles can prove quite troublesome for even heavy hitters. It probably is MMR related. When I see Kitty, she's invariably with 370 4ockets in pick 2. The counter to BRB/Kitty is probably DD5. Go ahead and let her buff those tiles, then just flip them to friendly strikes when you're ready and be on your way. If he doesn't have a battery in place, it's not that bad to just avoid the starter-protects that are on the board for a few turns. It's only when he gets his blue CD out that he starts to steamroll my teams. Carbage does the same thing with his attack tiles. It just escalates so quickly between the two of them, particularly with the free turn carbage takes. Maybe, but with[out] a purple battery, DD is slow. And denying BRB blue is hard. The basic strat of letting the enemy tiles grow and then stealing them is good. But in practice, I think it will fail more often then I would like because BRB gets a blue off and they have too many tiles to punch through before their various damage-dealing powers (fueled by BRB's passive) overwhelm dd's healing. I think a faster stunlock strat is better against this pair.
Bubba3210 said: Do we know when he hits latest legends?