Trilateralus said: So I jumped the gun a little. I though you only got 5* shards upon pulling a 5* cover. Knowing you get the shards from every LT is definitely better. Still don’t like the loss of BH.
JHawkInc said: When it comes to 5's, you've even got the benefit of the Latest/Classic split. If you're using shards on a Classic character, you can avoid pulling the 13th cover "naturally" and making the shards go "to waste" by simply not opening Classic tokens with CP in the first place.
HoundofShadow said: One of the logical flaws perpetuated around here with the introduction of Targeted Heroes is that all of a sudden, players are experiencing and will be experiencing 1) perfect distribution coverage of their characters when they get that one BH cover and 2) their BH rate are always in line with the expected rate of 5% if TH doesn't exist.In the past, I heard a lot of complains about getting BH cover in colour that players do not want and how the game are rigging the BH rate because they are not getting the extra cover based on advertised rate.It's magical how TH can shift luck and perception.
Chameleon said: HoundofShadow said: One of the logical flaws perpetuated around here with the introduction of Targeted Heroes is that all of a sudden, players are experiencing and will be experiencing 1) perfect distribution coverage of their characters when they get that one BH cover and 2) their BH rate are always in line with the expected rate of 5% if TH doesn't exist.In the past, I heard a lot of complains about getting BH cover in colour that players do not want and how the game are rigging the BH rate because they are not getting the extra cover based on advertised rate.It's magical how TH can shift luck and perception. We won't be experiencing either 1 or 2. Bonus Heroes are gone.
HoundofShadow said: I'm referring to some players who are on the Shard Wastage train... the minority... Let's hope the dev don't charge these group of players too much for wildcard shards or the ability to move shards around.If the devs did make this change without any "charge", I hope these group of players buy a Stark Salary each to thank the devs.
Read the last paragraph.
HoundofShadow said: Based on what the dev says:As for the above "wasted" Shards thought, as stated above, this doesn't match with player play experience in the majority of situations. Players want to keep building characters past Champion for a number of reasons. And for those players that like keeping their characters evenly leveled, those Shards never go away, so they're never really wasted.Read the last paragraph.
Chameleon said: JHawkInc said: When it comes to 5's, you've even got the benefit of the Latest/Classic split. If you're using shards on a Classic character, you can avoid pulling the 13th cover "naturally" and making the shards go "to waste" by simply not opening Classic tokens with CP in the first place. You also have to avoid pulling from the pop-up stores with 3 5s. I'm now wary of pulling from these stores if my TH (sharget) is in them. Shouldn't I be excited at the possibility of finishing a classic 5 rather than be fearful of having wasted time and resources towards gaining it?
ROY84 said: Trilateralus said: So I jumped the gun a little. I though you only got 5* shards upon pulling a 5* cover. Knowing you get the shards from every LT is definitely better. Still don’t like the loss of BH. It's only 3 shards though. You'd have to pull hundreds of covers to get a 5* I've gotten 5* bonus heroes on pulls off 5 or less. I can't even understand the people who defend this.
JHawkInc said: Chameleon said: JHawkInc said: When it comes to 5's, you've even got the benefit of the Latest/Classic split. If you're using shards on a Classic character, you can avoid pulling the 13th cover "naturally" and making the shards go "to waste" by simply not opening Classic tokens with CP in the first place. You also have to avoid pulling from the pop-up stores with 3 5s. I'm now wary of pulling from these stores if my TH (sharget) is in them. Shouldn't I be excited at the possibility of finishing a classic 5 rather than be fearful of having wasted time and resources towards gaining it? Yes. Avoiding those stores is just as easy as avoiding Classic tokens.You say we should be excited and not fearful like they are mutually exclusive things.I am excited because shards and targeted heroes let me bypass the RNG for a classic 5/5/X character to guarantee I get the right color I need to finish them.I am not fearful of wasting time and resources because... that literally can't happen. I can't fear it, because it is impossible. I am 100% in control of this, and can spend my resources in a way that I am at zero risk of finishing a classic 5 (via cover draw) and thus at zero risk of wasting time OR resources.I am VERY excited because I have three characters that are 5/5/1 with 4-5 Saved covers EACH, and I finally have a way to specifically pursue the covers I need to champ them without drawing any covers that will go "to waste" (be Saved) EVER AGAIN.This update gives agency and takes away bad luck and that is to be praised (regardless whether or not the system needs fine tuning after we have some more experience using it in a live environment).
tiomono said: Chameleon said: JHawkInc said: When it comes to 5's, you've even got the benefit of the Latest/Classic split. If you're using shards on a Classic character, you can avoid pulling the 13th cover "naturally" and making the shards go "to waste" by simply not opening Classic tokens with CP in the first place. You also have to avoid pulling from the pop-up stores with 3 5s. I'm now wary of pulling from these stores if my TH (sharget) is in them. Shouldn't I be excited at the possibility of finishing a classic 5 rather than be fearful of having wasted time and resources towards gaining it? But this is exactly what they are addressing. Many players wanted a streak breaker so badly to battle rng. Suppose shards were implemented as tier specific instead of character specific and bonus heros remained unchanged. You would still have players that are getting dumped on by rng and wanting to walk away from this "trash, unfair, rng on rng game", having to go to the full 167 pulls every time to get the bonus. And other players that are giddy and elated that they they just got their 3rd bonus hero in under 50 pulls. This creates plenty of player discontent and people ready to leave. Shards levels the experience for everyone and removes the rng. Could it be improved? Sure. Could it more heavily favor the players? Sure. Would that ever be enough for for the vocal minority this forum represents? Some, but there would still be others that will always think they "need that oompa oompa now daddy!"
Chameleon said: tiomono said: Chameleon said: JHawkInc said: When it comes to 5's, you've even got the benefit of the Latest/Classic split. If you're using shards on a Classic character, you can avoid pulling the 13th cover "naturally" and making the shards go "to waste" by simply not opening Classic tokens with CP in the first place. You also have to avoid pulling from the pop-up stores with 3 5s. I'm now wary of pulling from these stores if my TH (sharget) is in them. Shouldn't I be excited at the possibility of finishing a classic 5 rather than be fearful of having wasted time and resources towards gaining it? But this is exactly what they are addressing. Many players wanted a streak breaker so badly to battle rng. Suppose shards were implemented as tier specific instead of character specific and bonus heros remained unchanged. You would still have players that are getting dumped on by rng and wanting to walk away from this "trash, unfair, rng on rng game", having to go to the full 167 pulls every time to get the bonus. And other players that are giddy and elated that they they just got their 3rd bonus hero in under 50 pulls. This creates plenty of player discontent and people ready to leave. Shards levels the experience for everyone and removes the rng. Could it be improved? Sure. Could it more heavily favor the players? Sure. Would that ever be enough for for the vocal minority this forum represents? Some, but there would still be others that will always think they "need that oompa oompa now daddy!" Maybe I'm not reading the replies incorrectly or maybe I wasn't clear in my initial post.How are they addressing my concerns about having saved shards 'wasted/left behind, etc' when I pull the cover(s) I want before I have saved enough shards?