Lystrata said: broll said: Projectus2501 said: SUPPORTS - so... I don't understand. Only ppl with great rosters and resources can get high level supports. But supports are useless to those players... I mean... They only are used in pve and those players need zero help in that part of the game... Am I missing something here? Nope, it's a poorly conceived and broken system that's not worth you wasting time on. Focus on the games actual bread and butter which is character rostering/leveling/champing. If you get one use if you want, but trying to chase them has a 95% chance of just frustrating you. Unless you roster is maxed up it's not worth it IMO. This is both accurate and ridiculous.The system was (arguably still is) most definitely 'broken' on implementation. The way they initially made obtaining supports and progressing them was absurd, and got a lot of backlash. Which, in my view, is what accounts for much of the lingering 'bad taste' people have about supports. They have been trying to improve on that though (not perfectly imo, but it's getting there). So yeah. On comments regarding 'the system' - accurate.Supports themselves, if you get something decent (and by decent I mean gels well with a particular character - it doesn't actually have to be high level) can have a noticeable effect on game play. So to tell someone outright supports are 'not worth wasting time on' - ridiculous.You only have to read the suggestions people have already made for which support to equip to which characters to see how they can synergise and speed things up. I know corvus glave has sped PvE up for me numerous times, and you only need level 1 of that*. Supports that have a chance of giving free AP at the start of battles have also helped me significantly. Fortifying special tiles is also useful, though not really game-changing. Etc.Yeah, trying to chase a particular support will be crazy frustrating, but supports in and of themselves are actually quite useful (on both my 5* roster and my 2*-3* roster). --* Bolded for OPs benefit - you seem to think only high level supports are useful. Not strictly true.
broll said: Projectus2501 said: SUPPORTS - so... I don't understand. Only ppl with great rosters and resources can get high level supports. But supports are useless to those players... I mean... They only are used in pve and those players need zero help in that part of the game... Am I missing something here? Nope, it's a poorly conceived and broken system that's not worth you wasting time on. Focus on the games actual bread and butter which is character rostering/leveling/champing. If you get one use if you want, but trying to chase them has a 95% chance of just frustrating you. Unless you roster is maxed up it's not worth it IMO.
Projectus2501 said: SUPPORTS - so... I don't understand. Only ppl with great rosters and resources can get high level supports. But supports are useless to those players... I mean... They only are used in pve and those players need zero help in that part of the game... Am I missing something here?
Spudgutter said: Lystrata said: broll said: Projectus2501 said: SUPPORTS - so... I don't understand. Only ppl with great rosters and resources can get high level supports. But supports are useless to those players... I mean... They only are used in pve and those players need zero help in that part of the game... Am I missing something here? Nope, it's a poorly conceived and broken system that's not worth you wasting time on. Focus on the games actual bread and butter which is character rostering/leveling/champing. If you get one use if you want, but trying to chase them has a 95% chance of just frustrating you. Unless you roster is maxed up it's not worth it IMO. This is both accurate and ridiculous.The system was (arguably still is) most definitely 'broken' on implementation. The way they initially made obtaining supports and progressing them was absurd, and got a lot of backlash. Which, in my view, is what accounts for much of the lingering 'bad taste' people have about supports. They have been trying to improve on that though (not perfectly imo, but it's getting there). So yeah. On comments regarding 'the system' - accurate.Supports themselves, if you get something decent (and by decent I mean gels well with a particular character - it doesn't actually have to be high level) can have a noticeable effect on game play. So to tell someone outright supports are 'not worth wasting time on' - ridiculous.You only have to read the suggestions people have already made for which support to equip to which characters to see how they can synergise and speed things up. I know corvus glave has sped PvE up for me numerous times, and you only need level 1 of that*. Supports that have a chance of giving free AP at the start of battles have also helped me significantly. Fortifying special tiles is also useful, though not really game-changing. Etc.Yeah, trying to chase a particular support will be crazy frustrating, but supports in and of themselves are actually quite useful (on both my 5* roster and my 2*-3* roster). --* Bolded for OPs benefit - you seem to think only high level supports are useful. Not strictly true. Sure, supports are fine, if you can get them. until there is a way to guarantee what supports to get, we will still be stuck in this loop. some people claim that they are good and useful, and point to a handful out of the 4 dozen. then i ask how do i get these, and the answers are always the same: luck. back and forth. you are able to separate supports from their availability, presumably because you lucked into one of them. I cannot. getting supports and having supports are the same thing for me right now, because i cannot get the same good ones as you. until they put them in progression, or as *attainable* rewards, etc., I will have to agree with broll that concentrating on them is kind of ridiculous.
Spudgutter said: I will have to agree with broll that concentrating on them is kind of ridiculous.
Dormammu said: Spudgutter said: I will have to agree with broll that concentrating on them is kind of ridiculous. No one has to 'concentrate' on them. You get the ones you get and invest some red ISO into the ones that offer your characters a little utility. It's as simple as that. They come just by playing the game, just like RISO. The idea that one has to either go all-out on obtaining them or utterly ignore them is what's ridiculous.Yes, luck and RNG play a factor. Just like it does trying to obtain character covers. Some players get a royal talon fighter, and some players get stuck with an unripe yaro root. Just like some players got a fully-covered Kitty when she was in tokens, but I ended up with a fully-covered Fatpin. Them's the breaks.Now, while we certainly have more avenues for obtaining specific covers than we do supports, that doesn't mean we have to stop rolling the dice and seeing what we get. What else are we going to do with all that red ISO?