bbigler said:I agree that Thor + Okoye are amazing - Quick AP generation, Huge AOE hits and Healing - which is a near perfect combo. Fortunately, they are easy to beat on defense and a part of Classic purgatory. So, that puts 5* play in a good situation going forward. When Gambit reigned, things were bad, repetitive and limiting. He needed a nerf.
First21 said: DyingLegend said: I dunno, I don't mind it as they are a very easy combo to counter What do you use to counter?
DyingLegend said: I dunno, I don't mind it as they are a very easy combo to counter
Phumade said: Borstock said: I am currently ranked around 205 in the PvP Simulator. For our purposes, I went through 100 opponents by pressing skip and compiled how many of those teams included Okoye, Thor, Both, or Neither. Obviously, some of the teams showed up more than once, but I think it represents what the matchmaker in this game offered. Here are the results:Thor+Okoye - 61Thor only - 16Okoye only - 5Neither - 18Read into it what you will. That’s not entirely fair or honest. In sim you can pick all 3 chars, in pvp only 2 out of 3. Those selection rules alone will change the ratio. 205 in sim at this point represents what 1800? When your scores that high you might as well be faced with a teams.a. More accurate sample is start psylocke from 0 at the start of event and report your next 20 matches.not wait till end of event.
Borstock said: I am currently ranked around 205 in the PvP Simulator. For our purposes, I went through 100 opponents by pressing skip and compiled how many of those teams included Okoye, Thor, Both, or Neither. Obviously, some of the teams showed up more than once, but I think it represents what the matchmaker in this game offered. Here are the results:Thor+Okoye - 61Thor only - 16Okoye only - 5Neither - 18Read into it what you will.
MegaBee said: bbigler said:I agree that Thor + Okoye are amazing - Quick AP generation, Huge AOE hits and Healing - which is a near perfect combo. Fortunately, they are easy to beat on defense and a part of Classic purgatory. So, that puts 5* play in a good situation going forward. When Gambit reigned, things were bad, repetitive and limiting. He needed a nerf. How do you beat them easily?
DeNappa said: Well, the other choice is to remain in 4* meta, with probably a seemingly endless stream of Grocket/Gamora.
Dormammu said: I say enjoy it while it lasts. 5-star Captain Marvel will be the new meta, after her movie arrives next year. Then we can all read complaints about how the only thing anyone sees in PvP is her and <insert character here>.
Daredevil217 said: What is crazy is I predicted all this in the thread discussing Gambit’s nerf. People talked about having a whole new world of character diversity that would open up once Gambit was nerfed and I said once people settled on a new meta (which I said would be Thor) we’d go right back to staleness. I was basically told I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m a 4* player lol. Turns out more and more I’m reading about just how right I was (here, alliance chat, Line). I said back then Gambit and Thor were symptoms of a bigger problem that is the 5* tier. I would really like to see PVP get an overhaul in general. It’s sad that combined arms is most people’s favorite event and it’s because they can’t play their most powerful characters and instead can use more of their rosters. What we need is more reasons to use more of our rosters. In the 3/4* tier boost lists do the job pretty well. But other than PVE essentials we have no real reason to use 90% of our characters we worked so hard to build up once we enter the 5* game. I think it was Spider-Man Run I played a long time ago that gave you multipliers for running certain characters each event. They encouraged having a fleshed our roster as any character might be picked each event. We need something more than our rosters being digital janitors keys that allow us access to a node once a year but sit their doing nothing else otherwise.
CharlieCroker said: Daredevil217 said: What is crazy is I predicted all this in the thread discussing Gambit’s nerf. People talked about having a whole new world of character diversity that would open up once Gambit was nerfed and I said once people settled on a new meta (which I said would be Thor) we’d go right back to staleness. I was basically told I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m a 4* player lol. Turns out more and more I’m reading about just how right I was (here, alliance chat, Line). But the big difference as many people pointed out at the time is now you don't have to have one specific character to reliably win matches. As Phumade pointed out, you can reliably beat Okoye/Thor with any combination of 5*s and/or boosted 4*s. That simply wasn't true during the majority of the era of Gambit.I also find the current meta much more enjoyable within matches than with Gambit where the strategy was nearly always to hold off firing red/purple until the enemy had. Which in some cases could go on well past the respective 7ap and 11ap thresholds. Now I can actually use ap as and when I want to (and can actually collect and keep ap without it being drained with no counter).You do however have a legitimate point about people reverting to a new meta. But the way the game is structured, that's not going to change unless the game does. The vast majority of players will always gravitate towards the latest quickest/strongest combo.
Daredevil217 said: What is crazy is I predicted all this in the thread discussing Gambit’s nerf. People talked about having a whole new world of character diversity that would open up once Gambit was nerfed and I said once people settled on a new meta (which I said would be Thor) we’d go right back to staleness. I was basically told I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m a 4* player lol. Turns out more and more I’m reading about just how right I was (here, alliance chat, Line).
Malcrof said: Ok, fellow forumites, i updated my gamependium (below in sig is link), i have lost to the Thorkoye many times, any ideas on a good counter with what i have?
CharlieCroker said: Malcrof said: Ok, fellow forumites, i updated my gamependium (below in sig is link), i have lost to the Thorkoye many times, any ideas on a good counter with what i have? I'll do better than that for you. I'll join Psylocke PvP and PM wins to you on LINE using those 5*s and perhaps boosted 4* too. However I will give you that your particular options are particularly slow and outdated even compared to latter low-mid tier releases. I do not envy your position at all and would not enjoy PvP at all.
Twomp_thaDJ said: Daredevil217 said: What is crazy is I predicted all this in the thread discussing Gambit’s nerf. People talked about having a whole new world of character diversity that would open up once Gambit was nerfed and I said once people settled on a new meta (which I said would be Thor) we’d go right back to staleness. I was basically told I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m a 4* player lol. Turns out more and more I’m reading about just how right I was (here, alliance chat, Line). I said back then Gambit and Thor were symptoms of a bigger problem that is the 5* tier. I would really like to see PVP get an overhaul in general. It’s sad that combined arms is most people’s favorite event and it’s because they can’t play their most powerful characters and instead can use more of their rosters. What we need is more reasons to use more of our rosters. In the 3/4* tier boost lists do the job pretty well. But other than PVE essentials we have no real reason to use 90% of our characters we worked so hard to build up once we enter the 5* game. I think it was Spider-Man Run I played a long time ago that gave you multipliers for running certain characters each event. They encouraged having a fleshed our roster as any character might be picked each event. We need something more than our rosters being digital janitors keys that allow us access to a node once a year but sit their doing nothing else otherwise. This is the predominant reason I am in no rush to champ any 5 star characters. My PvP life does just fine not having to worry bout seeing that every match. I do run into a lot of the boosted 4 stars for that event but that’s constantly changing so I can actually enjoy playin PvP.. well as much as anyone can enjoy playing PvP lol
Borstock said: Phumade said: Borstock said: I am currently ranked around 205 in the PvP Simulator. For our purposes, I went through 100 opponents by pressing skip and compiled how many of those teams included Okoye, Thor, Both, or Neither. Obviously, some of the teams showed up more than once, but I think it represents what the matchmaker in this game offered. Here are the results:Thor+Okoye - 61Thor only - 16Okoye only - 5Neither - 18Read into it what you will. That’s not entirely fair or honest. In sim you can pick all 3 chars, in pvp only 2 out of 3. Those selection rules alone will change the ratio. 205 in sim at this point represents what 1800? When your scores that high you might as well be faced with a teams.a. More accurate sample is start psylocke from 0 at the start of event and report your next 20 matches.not wait till end of event. First, I resent the premise that I wasn't being honest. I didn't even draw any conclusions. I just posted the data.
Space Dwarf said: Twomp_thaDJ said: Daredevil217 said: What is crazy is I predicted all this in the thread discussing Gambit’s nerf. People talked about having a whole new world of character diversity that would open up once Gambit was nerfed and I said once people settled on a new meta (which I said would be Thor) we’d go right back to staleness. I was basically told I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m a 4* player lol. Turns out more and more I’m reading about just how right I was (here, alliance chat, Line). I said back then Gambit and Thor were symptoms of a bigger problem that is the 5* tier. I would really like to see PVP get an overhaul in general. It’s sad that combined arms is most people’s favorite event and it’s because they can’t play their most powerful characters and instead can use more of their rosters. What we need is more reasons to use more of our rosters. In the 3/4* tier boost lists do the job pretty well. But other than PVE essentials we have no real reason to use 90% of our characters we worked so hard to build up once we enter the 5* game. I think it was Spider-Man Run I played a long time ago that gave you multipliers for running certain characters each event. They encouraged having a fleshed our roster as any character might be picked each event. We need something more than our rosters being digital janitors keys that allow us access to a node once a year but sit their doing nothing else otherwise. This is the predominant reason I am in no rush to champ any 5 star characters. My PvP life does just fine not having to worry bout seeing that every match. I do run into a lot of the boosted 4 stars for that event but that’s constantly changing so I can actually enjoy playin PvP.. well as much as anyone can enjoy playing PvP lol This is blown way out of proportion. Don’t listen to that. I only had 30+ 4* champs when I champed my first 5*. I haven’t regretted it since. PVE is faster. 1200 in pvp is a piece of cake. You’ll still see your fair share of max champed 4* teams even with multiple 5* champs. There’s plenty of variety in s1, s3, or s4. Between regular teams, grills, & teams used to blow up grills, there’s plenty of variety.Don’t believe the hype
Space Dwarf said: Twomp_thaDJ said: This is the predominant reason I am in no rush to champ any 5 star characters. My PvP life does just fine not having to worry bout seeing that every match. I do run into a lot of the boosted 4 stars for that event but that’s constantly changing so I can actually enjoy playin PvP.. well as much as anyone can enjoy playing PvP lol This is blown way out of proportion. Don’t listen to that. I only had 30+ 4* champs when I champed my first 5*. I haven’t regretted it since. PVE is faster. 1200 in pvp is a piece of cake. You’ll still see your fair share of max champed 4* teams even with multiple 5* champs. There’s plenty of variety in s1, s3, or s4. Between regular teams, grills, & teams used to blow up grills, there’s plenty of variety.Don’t believe the hype
Twomp_thaDJ said: This is the predominant reason I am in no rush to champ any 5 star characters. My PvP life does just fine not having to worry bout seeing that every match. I do run into a lot of the boosted 4 stars for that event but that’s constantly changing so I can actually enjoy playin PvP.. well as much as anyone can enjoy playing PvP lol
Spudgutter said: no Borstock said: Phumade said: Borstock said: I am currently ranked around 205 in the PvP Simulator. For our purposes, I went through 100 opponents by pressing skip and compiled how many of those teams included Okoye, Thor, Both, or Neither. Obviously, some of the teams showed up more than once, but I think it represents what the matchmaker in this game offered. Here are the results:Thor+Okoye - 61Thor only - 16Okoye only - 5Neither - 18Read into it what you will. That’s not entirely fair or honest. In sim you can pick all 3 chars, in pvp only 2 out of 3. Those selection rules alone will change the ratio. 205 in sim at this point represents what 1800? When your scores that high you might as well be faced with a teams.a. More accurate sample is start psylocke from 0 at the start of event and report your next 20 matches.not wait till end of event. First, I resent the premise that I wasn't being honest. I didn't even draw any conclusions. I just posted the data. I guess you are reporting the data, but i think for the purpose if the argument, it is still skewed data. By giving your placement instead of score, we can only guess where you are in the field of opponents. The second half of that is also pertinent, because where you are in the field will also dictate where you are in the meta.For example, i am at 2 wins, 148 points, 1368th place. Of the 5 opponents, there are 9 different 5* and 1 4*(America), two people using Thorkoye. Next, because of where you are in the meta, you left out how many repeat opponents you saw. You concede that there were some in there, but how many? You could have skipped 100 times, but since you weren't progressing in score, you were *more* likely to see repeats due to the broken matchmaking, and giving off a false reading. Did you see the same 3-5 people over and over again? After seeing them 20 times, did the game finally give you a break on your MMR and show you a different opponent, only for you to skip them and get back into that 3-5 loop again?No offense, i applaud the effort, but i think it probably says more about broken matchmaking than it does broken meta. If i just sat at 2 wins and skipped 100 times, the opponents would be vastly different than at 25 wins, and that is the point that some of us are making, that the *climb* is much more varied now.