Qubort said: I think 5 stars are quite easy to obtain. They give out enough CP and LTs to champ 5s as they're released. They've also increased the number of feeders making it easier still. The Saved Cover feature is a huge boost. You never have a wasted pull and ISO shortage is a non factor. The only way they could make it easier is if they just handed them out and would defeat all the fun of playing.
crackninja said: tiomono said: crackninja said: no tiomono said: They have added many 4*s champion rewards to help with gaining 5*s. It is slow going but they have continually made things easier and more accessible. Personally I hate the hoard and spend it all on latests tactic. I hate locking characters away with no way to earn them. So for me to spend all my resources to get a shot at the 3 newest 5*'s while locking all the rest into bonus hero odds is no good. That is why I pull classics. It is slower to get into the 5 star tier because of dilution but I am progressing toward it steadily. When I get to the stage of wanting to spend iso on my 5*s to fully make the leap I will have a broader selection not just the latest 3. I already have 1 champed, daredevil. He is a great first 5* good damage and amazing sustain. I have 3 more at 12 covers and 2 at 11 covers. I did have gambit before his nerf. I was seeing if I could fully cover a 5 in latests pulling solely latests. With the old cs cover swap I could. But now that any 6th or more cover i get in a single color for any character can be saved and not wasted i feel classics is the right choice for me.The 5* tier is not impossible to get into. And hoarding yo spend it all on latests is not the only way to progress into the tier. There is more than one way to do it, but I just cannot recommend this strategy to anyone that doesn't already have good coverage in their classics, and even with that, you are facing an uphill RNG battle as far as competing characters you actually want. It's true that in the very long run you'll have more diversity, but it comes at quite a cost. And the cost of opening just latests means you never get a chance at pulling 23 characters and growing. That is way too steep a cost in my personal opinion. The new release stores are too infrequent to offset this and you never have a guarantee that a classic 5* that you want will turn up in one of these stores. For me classics with the 5* feeders is giving me good progress. I feel that the 4* tier is the meat of the game and am not feeling rushed to get into the 5* tier. If clearance level 10 opened up and was pretty much mandatory to have 5*s champed due to enemy levels I think I would still be happy in scl 9 getting the rewards I currently am and progressing my way up to scl 10 eventually.Others feel differently and that's fine. I was just letting the OP know that there is not only one way to advance. Sure, by your own admission you aren't trying to get into the 5* tier. We agree that the freedom to choose is there and that is great.In 3 years of pulling classics you will likely have more champed 5*'s than by pulling latests. In 1 year, not so much. So to me, the real hoarding is banking on classics.
tiomono said: crackninja said: no tiomono said: They have added many 4*s champion rewards to help with gaining 5*s. It is slow going but they have continually made things easier and more accessible. Personally I hate the hoard and spend it all on latests tactic. I hate locking characters away with no way to earn them. So for me to spend all my resources to get a shot at the 3 newest 5*'s while locking all the rest into bonus hero odds is no good. That is why I pull classics. It is slower to get into the 5 star tier because of dilution but I am progressing toward it steadily. When I get to the stage of wanting to spend iso on my 5*s to fully make the leap I will have a broader selection not just the latest 3. I already have 1 champed, daredevil. He is a great first 5* good damage and amazing sustain. I have 3 more at 12 covers and 2 at 11 covers. I did have gambit before his nerf. I was seeing if I could fully cover a 5 in latests pulling solely latests. With the old cs cover swap I could. But now that any 6th or more cover i get in a single color for any character can be saved and not wasted i feel classics is the right choice for me.The 5* tier is not impossible to get into. And hoarding yo spend it all on latests is not the only way to progress into the tier. There is more than one way to do it, but I just cannot recommend this strategy to anyone that doesn't already have good coverage in their classics, and even with that, you are facing an uphill RNG battle as far as competing characters you actually want. It's true that in the very long run you'll have more diversity, but it comes at quite a cost. And the cost of opening just latests means you never get a chance at pulling 23 characters and growing. That is way too steep a cost in my personal opinion. The new release stores are too infrequent to offset this and you never have a guarantee that a classic 5* that you want will turn up in one of these stores. For me classics with the 5* feeders is giving me good progress. I feel that the 4* tier is the meat of the game and am not feeling rushed to get into the 5* tier. If clearance level 10 opened up and was pretty much mandatory to have 5*s champed due to enemy levels I think I would still be happy in scl 9 getting the rewards I currently am and progressing my way up to scl 10 eventually.Others feel differently and that's fine. I was just letting the OP know that there is not only one way to advance.
crackninja said: no tiomono said: They have added many 4*s champion rewards to help with gaining 5*s. It is slow going but they have continually made things easier and more accessible. Personally I hate the hoard and spend it all on latests tactic. I hate locking characters away with no way to earn them. So for me to spend all my resources to get a shot at the 3 newest 5*'s while locking all the rest into bonus hero odds is no good. That is why I pull classics. It is slower to get into the 5 star tier because of dilution but I am progressing toward it steadily. When I get to the stage of wanting to spend iso on my 5*s to fully make the leap I will have a broader selection not just the latest 3. I already have 1 champed, daredevil. He is a great first 5* good damage and amazing sustain. I have 3 more at 12 covers and 2 at 11 covers. I did have gambit before his nerf. I was seeing if I could fully cover a 5 in latests pulling solely latests. With the old cs cover swap I could. But now that any 6th or more cover i get in a single color for any character can be saved and not wasted i feel classics is the right choice for me.The 5* tier is not impossible to get into. And hoarding yo spend it all on latests is not the only way to progress into the tier. There is more than one way to do it, but I just cannot recommend this strategy to anyone that doesn't already have good coverage in their classics, and even with that, you are facing an uphill RNG battle as far as competing characters you actually want. It's true that in the very long run you'll have more diversity, but it comes at quite a cost.
tiomono said: They have added many 4*s champion rewards to help with gaining 5*s. It is slow going but they have continually made things easier and more accessible. Personally I hate the hoard and spend it all on latests tactic. I hate locking characters away with no way to earn them. So for me to spend all my resources to get a shot at the 3 newest 5*'s while locking all the rest into bonus hero odds is no good. That is why I pull classics. It is slower to get into the 5 star tier because of dilution but I am progressing toward it steadily. When I get to the stage of wanting to spend iso on my 5*s to fully make the leap I will have a broader selection not just the latest 3. I already have 1 champed, daredevil. He is a great first 5* good damage and amazing sustain. I have 3 more at 12 covers and 2 at 11 covers. I did have gambit before his nerf. I was seeing if I could fully cover a 5 in latests pulling solely latests. With the old cs cover swap I could. But now that any 6th or more cover i get in a single color for any character can be saved and not wasted i feel classics is the right choice for me.The 5* tier is not impossible to get into. And hoarding yo spend it all on latests is not the only way to progress into the tier.
I am trying to get to 5* tier. I have had gambit and daredevil both champed. I sold gambit when he got changed. But I am definitely trying to get into 5* land. So I am taking the "slow" road and using my cp on classics. In the long run I will have a broader selection than just 3 characters then have to hoard for months again to try for another 3. I cannot personally deal with the thought of not pulling any covers at all for 23 characters and growing. I open the latests I get through other rewards as I get them. All of my cp goes to classics right now. That works for me, it may not work for someone else. I'm not saying do not hoard. I am saying I will not hoard. There is more than one way to progress.
0_efx_0 said: When you Champ at least half or more of 4* Land, that is when you will see a transition into 5* land.
barrok said: I know this game is a 'marathon', but even if you progress through the correct avenues (champ 3*'s, champ 4*'s) there is still no guarantee that you will be 5* land within the first year of playing.
justsing said: barrok said: I know this game is a 'marathon', but even if you progress through the correct avenues (champ 3*'s, champ 4*'s) there is still no guarantee that you will be 5* land within the first year of playing. Why should there be a guarantee of reaching 5* land within the first year of playing?? That kind of expectation seems really unrealistic given the setup of this game. Also, reaching the 5* tier so quickly just means the game is going to grow stale for you that much quicker. I still maintain that you can max-cover 5*s without having to hoard forever. I switched over to pulling Latest only when I had about half of my 4*s champed. My first max-covered 5* was Gambit on Day 497.
barrok said: justsing said: barrok said: I know this game is a 'marathon', but even if you progress through the correct avenues (champ 3*'s, champ 4*'s) there is still no guarantee that you will be 5* land within the first year of playing. Why should there be a guarantee of reaching 5* land within the first year of playing?? That kind of expectation seems really unrealistic given the setup of this game. Also, reaching the 5* tier so quickly just means the game is going to grow stale for you that much quicker. I still maintain that you can max-cover 5*s without having to hoard forever. I switched over to pulling Latest only when I had about half of my 4*s champed. My first max-covered 5* was Gambit on Day 497. Well, I realize it's hard to tell people who have invested as much time as you have that the game needs to progress quicker. Inherently you feel you have spent lots of time, energy, potentially money, to get where you are and it wouldn't be fair to do it quicker. But from my experience, most people are not interested in waiting 1 to 3 years before they can even taste the end game. With that said, maybe you are right that it's "unrealistic given the setup of this game." But that is why I think they need to look at the setup of the game. They should tweak it to get progress faster. Much like an MMO will lower level requirements or XP requirements over time, they should look at getting people into the end game a little quicker. I can tell you I am much more likely to quit knowing that I have another year ahead of me before I can feel even remotely comfortable in 5* land, than I would if I could actually get into 5* land within a year.
MissoesRicRose said: I do not know for the other players, but at least here, I have realized at times that it is extremely difficult, or almost impossible, to achieve a 5* character. I already have almost all 4* in champion.I believe that something has to be done about this. Improve the odds, or change the system to facilitate the collection of a 5*
DFiPL said: There are, currently, 18 5* in classics. There are three in Latest. I've championed seven Latest in the last just-over-a-year. If I continue to pull Latest, with the same success rate I've had, in 3 years' total time I'd be at around 21 5* champions - and the number of non-champion 5* opportunities for me in Classics would have remained static, while the quantity of 5* in the tokens grows steadily more diluted.I'm not sure three years of pulling classics instead would result in more than 21 5* champions.
barrok said: But from my experience, most people are not interested in waiting 1 to 3 years before they can even taste the end game. With that said, maybe you are right that it's "unrealistic given the setup of this game." But that is why I think they need to look at the setup of the game. They should tweak it to get progress faster. Much like an MMO will lower level requirements or XP requirements over time, they should look at getting people into the end game a little quicker. I can tell you I am much more likely to quit knowing that I have another year ahead of me before I can feel even remotely comfortable in 5* land, than I would if I could actually get into 5* land within a year.
MissoesRicRose said: It was always hard enough to get a 5 *. At this point I even agree, they are the strongest characters in the game. However, there are now many 4 * within probability. Then it got even harder to get a 5 *.
tiomono said: MissoesRicRose said: It was always hard enough to get a 5 *. At this point I even agree, they are the strongest characters in the game. However, there are now many 4 * within probability. Then it got even harder to get a 5 *. How many 4*s there are has no impact on whether or not you get a 5*. More 4's just mean it takes longer to get a 4 fully covered. And more 5's slows down how fast you can get a 5* fully covered from classic tokens.