Planeswalker Rebalancing Part 2

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Mburn7 said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Mburn7 said:

FindingHeart8 said:

I mean, his 2nd is decent.  Essentially Nissa's first ability for 4 more mana.  Charge counters aren't super useful unless you have 1 of the handful of cards that really can optimize off of them

Uhhhh.  Is this in the right place?  Greenjani's second is Gideon's second (or Nahiri's first) with energize.

Nissa's first is draw a card, gain life, and convert gems (assuming you mean OG nissa)

And what charge counters?

lolololol my bad.  For some reason I always mix the two names up.  I've been calling Nissa Nahiri and vice versa for a while even in paper mtg

I meant energize 4.  Charge counters were paper mtg's version of energizing about 8 years before Kaladesh was released.

It's end-of-day-at-work-Friday...mah brain is deflating >.<

I feel you there man.  And I figured the charge might be energize, I was deeply confused by the Nissa/Nahiri mix up.  I guess all Zendikari look the same to you, huh.  Planeist.

First time I saw Nahiri, I actually thought she Sorin's rebellious sister because of how pale she was.

I should remember Nissa better because she's mtg's tribute to Ferngully, who also happened to release the Eldrazi thinking they would just be grateful and want to cuddle.

So when I told people that Nahiri was an idiot for thinking Eldrazi lives matter and Nissa has serious vampire daddy issues, they were probably just as confused as you were.

Ferngully, an allusion which will completely whiff on 95% of this game's player population :P

I'M NOT THAT OLD!!!

well...maybe

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Mburn7 said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Mburn7 said:

FindingHeart8 said:

I mean, his 2nd is decent.  Essentially Nissa's first ability for 4 more mana.  Charge counters aren't super useful unless you have 1 of the handful of cards that really can optimize off of them

Uhhhh.  Is this in the right place?  Greenjani's second is Gideon's second (or Nahiri's first) with energize.

Nissa's first is draw a card, gain life, and convert gems (assuming you mean OG nissa)

And what charge counters?

lolololol my bad.  For some reason I always mix the two names up.  I've been calling Nissa Nahiri and vice versa for a while even in paper mtg

I meant energize 4.  Charge counters were paper mtg's version of energizing about 8 years before Kaladesh was released.

It's end-of-day-at-work-Friday...mah brain is deflating >.<

I feel you there man.  And I figured the charge might be energize, I was deeply confused by the Nissa/Nahiri mix up.  I guess all Zendikari look the same to you, huh.  Planeist.

First time I saw Nahiri, I actually thought she Sorin's rebellious sister because of how pale she was.

I should remember Nissa better because she's mtg's tribute to Ferngully, who also happened to release the Eldrazi thinking they would just be grateful and want to cuddle.

So when I told people that Nahiri was an idiot for thinking Eldrazi lives matter and Nissa has serious vampire daddy issues, they were probably just as confused as you were.

Ferngully, an allusion which will completely whiff on 95% of this game's player population :P

I'M NOT THAT OLD!!!

well...maybe

It's ok mate, I had it on VHS too (subs out fist bump for walking stick bump)

Some of the problems that come up with particular walkers are due to the AI, so I don't think you can talk about "balance" separately from that.

They are all going to spam their first ability if they can, so why try and adjust someone's later abilities at all when they will never get there?

But there are AI tweaks that could help without changing anything else...

Some of the walkers improved just by restricting when their card draw abilities could be used and similar thoughts might help others.
Koth and Kiora epecially need to be encouraged to use their later abilities...


As a _player_ I use Koth's first ability when I can't make a red match but the AI does it even when they can, so you can easily add a rule for that. The 2nd ability... How do you decide when to use that? Anytime you can have creatures attack? Or do you pick and choose somehow?

Kiora... The first ability can be spammed anytime, sure, but maybe you could easily have her _aim_ for her 2nd, so have the rule ""If you don't have a creature then save for power 2 and do NOT play power 1."", I can't think of any good way to say "save for 3rd ability" though.


This "tangential" conversation is actually an important part of any balance talk.